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Some of what you wrote is true and some of it is pure speculation. I downvoted you for the unsubstantiated fear mongering in this sentence: > Watch, I bet we w

Some of what you wrote is true and some of it is pure speculation. I downvoted you for the unsubstantiated fear mongering in this sentence: > Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. People are afraid enough we don’t need that.

buildbot 4y ago
Fair enough
ethanwillis 4y ago
Put the fear aside, speculation is important as a tool for looking ahead at what possibilities there could be. It's not like the OP was trying to pass the speculation as fact. Personally, I would rather think about the "ifs" and plan ahead than to find myself in the "now" with consequences I could've possibly avoided.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  Dartboard guesses are not useful for anything, and when those guesses all veer toward a certain emotion (fear, etc.), then it's not an attempt at useful predictions.
somewhereoutth 4y ago
The problem is that they aren't afraid enough - otherwise they'd be pushing to bring this pandemic under control.
- xyzzyz 4y ago
  I’d rather bring under control people who are trying to prevent my children from having normal life. We all had Covid already (likely even twice). We are done with the theater. We don’t want to listen to scaremongering. We want to smile in public. We want to breathe freely. We don’t want or need any more boosters. If you like the restrictions, wear a mask, or just stay home permanently, I don’t care. Just don’t force me and my children into literally faceless, anti-social dystopia.
  - somewhereoutth 4y ago
    There is a big policy space between "We are done with the theatre" and "literally faceless, anti-social dystopia". Unfortunately many of the policies in that space will negatively effect powerful vested interests (see climate change, see health reform, see food standards, see police training, see banking, see...). Such vested interests have expended vast amounts of effort to convince the 'ordinary person' that nothing can be done - or equivalently, that the only things that would work would end our way of life as we know it. I'm sorry you seem to have been caught up in that.
    - IdEntities 4y ago
      What do you think would work, exactly? From where I'm sitting, the large vested interests you're pointing to benefitted enormously from the COVID response, especially the lockdowns which destroyed around a third of small businesses and concentrated that market share upward.
- nradov 4y ago
  What does "under control" even mean? The virus is here to stay no matter what we do. Everyone will be exposed. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments are fairly effective at preventing deaths. I'm not even slightly afraid. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
AnthonBerg 4y ago
We do not need to concern ourselves with how people’s access to information should be restricted. In fact, there have been published several robust scientific arguments for the possibility that COVID-19 infection can increase the risk of cancer. Here’s one paper, Cancer as a prospective sequela of long COVID‐19, Geetanjali Saini and Ritu Aneja, both of the Department of Biology, Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia. Published April 29, 2021 in the journal Bioessays of the Wiley Online Library. – https://doi.org/10.1002%2Fbies.202000331 https://doi.org/10.1002%2Fbies.202000331 “Herein, we propose that long COVID‐19 may predispose recovered patients to cancer development and accelerate cancer progression. This hypothesis is based on growing evidence of the ability of SARS‐CoV‐2 to modulate oncogenic pathways, promote chronic low‐grade inflammation, and cause tissue damage.” And: ”COVID-19 has been associated with T-cell depletion and activation of oncogenic pathways, including JAK-STAT, MAPK, and NF-κB, potentially increasing the risk of cancer development.[20] Hypoxia due to inflammation or virus-induced angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 depletion can induce oxidative stress and malignant transformation.[21-26] Over time, both chronic inflammation and oxidative stress can lead to DNA damage and subsequent carcinogenesis.[27-31] Moreover, COVID-19 is known to cause multiorgan damage,[32] and extensive tissue damage is an oncogenic driver.” Etc. etc.; I suggest reading the paper, and others like it.

buildbot 4y ago

Fair enough

ethanwillis 4y ago

Put the fear aside, speculation is important as a tool for looking ahead at what possibilities there could be. It's not like the OP was trying to pass the speculation as fact. Personally, I would rather think about the "ifs" and plan ahead than to find myself in the "now" with consequences I could've possibly avoided.

wolverine876 4y ago
Dartboard guesses are not useful for anything, and when those guesses all veer toward a certain emotion (fear, etc.), then it's not an attempt at useful predictions.

somewhereoutth 4y ago

The problem is that they aren't afraid enough - otherwise they'd be pushing to bring this pandemic under control.

xyzzyz 4y ago
I’d rather bring under control people who are trying to prevent my children from having normal life. We all had Covid already (likely even twice). We are done with the theater. We don’t want to listen to scaremongering. We want to smile in public. We want to breathe freely. We don’t want or need any more boosters. If you like the restrictions, wear a mask, or just stay home permanently, I don’t care. Just don’t force me and my children into literally faceless, anti-social dystopia.
- somewhereoutth 4y ago
  There is a big policy space between "We are done with the theatre" and "literally faceless, anti-social dystopia". Unfortunately many of the policies in that space will negatively effect powerful vested interests (see climate change, see health reform, see food standards, see police training, see banking, see...). Such vested interests have expended vast amounts of effort to convince the 'ordinary person' that nothing can be done - or equivalently, that the only things that would work would end our way of life as we know it. I'm sorry you seem to have been caught up in that.
  - IdEntities 4y ago
    What do you think would work, exactly? From where I'm sitting, the large vested interests you're pointing to benefitted enormously from the COVID response, especially the lockdowns which destroyed around a third of small businesses and concentrated that market share upward.
nradov 4y ago
What does "under control" even mean? The virus is here to stay no matter what we do. Everyone will be exposed. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments are fairly effective at preventing deaths. I'm not even slightly afraid. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

AnthonBerg 4y ago

We do not need to concern ourselves with how people’s access to information should be restricted. In fact, there have been published several robust scientific arguments for the possibility that COVID-19 infection can increase the risk of cancer. Here’s one paper, Cancer as a prospective sequela of long COVID‐19, Geetanjali Saini and Ritu Aneja, both of the Department of Biology, Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia. Published April 29, 2021 in the journal Bioessays of the Wiley Online Library. – https://doi.org/10.1002%2Fbies.202000331 https://doi.org/10.1002%2Fbies.202000331 “Herein, we propose that long COVID‐19 may predispose recovered patients to cancer development and accelerate cancer progression. This hypothesis is based on growing evidence of the ability of SARS‐CoV‐2 to modulate oncogenic pathways, promote chronic low‐grade inflammation, and cause tissue damage.” And: ”COVID-19 has been associated with T-cell depletion and activation of oncogenic pathways, including JAK-STAT, MAPK, and NF-κB, potentially increasing the risk of cancer development.[20] Hypoxia due to inflammation or virus-induced angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 depletion can induce oxidative stress and malignant transformation.[21-26] Over time, both chronic inflammation and oxidative stress can lead to DNA damage and subsequent carcinogenesis.[27-31] Moreover, COVID-19 is known to cause multiorgan damage,[32] and extensive tissue damage is an oncogenic driver.” Etc. etc.; I suggest reading the paper, and others like it.