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Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning
- donkarma 4y agoisn't this the state/province/county/whatever with the brain disease similar to prion going around?
- buildbot 4y agoI am not sure, but I believe at this point they think it is environmental as a best guess? Everything else has been looked into if I remember correctly.
- not2b 4y agoIt is most likely to be Covid. Many jurisdictions have undercounted Covid deaths especially for older people who die at home.
- loceng 4y ago
- IdEntities 4y agoWe're talking about 886 excess deaths in a province that reported 114 COVID deaths. Are unreported COVID deaths at home really that common and likely to be missed on the death certificate? In my understanding of the lethal progression of the disease, there's usually a telltale pulmonary phase which is very likely to lead the infected person to seek care.
- clessg 4y agoYup. Or at least there was significant fear about it being a new prion-related neurological disease. Since then, the government has "investigated" and been pretty vocal in denying any environmental causation or even any connection amongst patients whatsoever. In fact, there is apparently no "shared common illness" at all: > An oversight committee reviewing the case files of all 48 of the potential cases found that the patients didn’t have symptoms in common or have a shared common illness. > A separate in-depth epidemiological investigation last fall concluded the patients didn’t have any common behaviours, foods or environmental exposures. > Following these reports, all the patients were excluded from the cluster and the Minister of Health has accepted the conclusion that no such neurological syndrome of unknown cause exists in New Brunswick. https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/departments/health/neuro-cluster.html https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/departments/health/neuro-... Our government has a long history of arrogance and paternalism (probably nothing too unique there), and incredibly deep ties to the most powerful corporation in NB (again nothing new there), Irving, which has a uhh, let's just say, tenuous relationship with the environment and pollution. So it's hard to say whether or not one should believe the government's conclusion. But there it is.
- techdragon 4y agoLet’s be honest… Irving fucking owns the province. It’s enormous control has been held onto since the era of Golden Age wealth in America and they have a hilarious history of not giving a fuck about anything that costs them money they don’t have to spend. Safety, Health, Pollution, you name it Irving has probably cut all legal corners and is lobbying to make new ones they can cut. It’s basically Canada’s “friendly” neighbourhood Lawful Evil Corporate Overlord.
- buildbot 4y agoThe next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: And in adults, it does weird things to your alcohol tolerance: https://www.kevinmd.com/2021/03/could-a-glass-of-wine-diagnose-long-covid.html https://www.kevinmd.com/2021/03/could-a-glass-of-wine-diagno... I can not drink wine really anymore.
- WoodenChair 4y agoSome of what you wrote is true and some of it is pure speculation. I downvoted you for the unsubstantiated fear mongering in this sentence: > Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. People are afraid enough we don’t need that.
- buildbot 4y agoFair enough
- ethanwillis 4y agoPut the fear aside, speculation is important as a tool for looking ahead at what possibilities there could be. It's not like the OP was trying to pass the speculation as fact. Personally, I would rather think about the "ifs" and plan ahead than to find myself in the "now" with consequences I could've possibly avoided.
- wolverine876 4y agoDartboard guesses are not useful for anything, and when those guesses all veer toward a certain emotion (fear, etc.), then it's not an attempt at useful predictions.
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- ceejayoz 4y agoIs your theory that New Brunswick is the only place mRNA vaccines were administered?
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- pdabbadabba 4y agoWell, if we're just trading anecdata: I know exactly zero people who collapsed and died within a few months of receiving a booster or second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Where does that leave us?
- anamexis 4y agoAnd why would these excess deaths be localized to New Brunswick?
- drno123 4y agoUK has excess non-covid deaths as well https://www.euroscientist.com/uk-recorded-more-than-10000-extra-non-covid-deaths-since-july-how-do-we-know-vaccines-are-not-to-blame/amp/ https://www.euroscientist.com/uk-recorded-more-than-10000-ex...
- mattashii 4y agoCan't that be explained by the delayed and cancelled normal checkups over the covid period?
- GenerocUsername 4y agoIn my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there
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- archerx 4y agoI like how you phrased this, I feel like this is how people had to talk in times of heavy censorship and the fact we have to pass messages like this in this day and age is terrifying and makes the future seem bleak.
- marcinzm 4y agoYou do realize that socially imposed norms about what topics you talk about, in what context, between whom and how has probably been the norm for longer than written history?
- Ambolia 4y agoThe problem is that usually those norms were dictated by some monarch because he had power and took the responsibility for that power and its consequences. Now nobody is taking the responsibility, but we still have the norms.
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- secondo 4y agoWhich is?
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- helloooooooo 4y agoA potential prion disease?
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- Claude_Shannon 4y agoHearing about this case, I'd say it's either prions (which is very scary), or major companies there don't really care about pollution effects...
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- chinathrow 4y agoEnlighten us.
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- Q6T46nT668w6i3m 4y agoBreathe air? Drink water?
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- snovv_crash 4y agoGet COVID?
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- vpribish 4y agoI wish I could tell if it was trolls, idiots, or villains - it's hard to respond appropriately if unsure. regardless, this is very sad to see on HN.
- IdEntities 4y agoLet's just say, for the sake of argument, that it was not a metaphysical impossibility that some unknown issue with the novel technology applied in these vaccines was missed in the severely abbreviated clinical trials. The control groups were all vaccinated the second the EUAs were granted, so we have no controls against which we can check our hypotheses. In the (I know, completely impossible) hypothetical I am putting forth, wouldn't the first hints of the problem be something like unexplained excess deaths coinciding with vaccine rollout?
- VerminOctopus1 4y agoThere is a very strong anti-vax contingent on this website. It’s unfortunate given that you’d think appreciation for science and healthy, well reasoned skepticism would come naturally for technical professionals. Guess not.
- logicchains 4y ago>well reasoned skepticism would come naturally for technical professionals. It's not well-reasoned skepticism to question the safety of a vaccine for which every vaccine adverse event reporting database reports two orders of magnitude more adverse events than previous vaccines? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z would you call Nature an anti-vax journal?
- lostlogin 4y agoThat is one comparison that should be made. The more important one is to compare having covid versus having the vaccine, the outcomes and the outcomes of you get covid while vaccinated.