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Careful there -- relaxing or enjoying something mundane is not wasting time. We have been conditioned to call things like this a waste of time but it doesnt me

Careful there -- relaxing or enjoying something mundane is not wasting time. We have been conditioned to call things like this a waste of time but it doesnt mean it is. Not for everyone. Capitalism would have us believe we must constantly be delivering value that is defined by external standards but that is a dangerous game. 4000 Weeks is a pretty good book with more on this topic.

brokenkebab2 4y ago
Gaming, and watching TV sometimes may not be complete waste of time. But both are addictive, and can easyly make your life miserable.
- mathgeek 4y ago
  This isn’t really relevant to the current discussion about how much extra time is spent on “work” beyond normal working hours. Working ~40 hours a week and choosing to spend most of your other conscious hours consuming media is a different situation from spending most/all of your hours on the latter.
  - mmmpop 4y ago
    https://i.redd.it/3hn1jb4p3ih41.jpg https://i.redd.it/3hn1jb4p3ih41.jpg
  - brokenkebab2 4y ago
    Not sure I see your point. "Choosing to spend most of your other conscious hours consuming media" is certainly choosing to waste a significant part of one's lifetime. Doing it all the time is wasting most of it, and likely being broke (with exception of rare edge cases). The question we touched in this particular branch: whether extra work constitutes a better alternative to more gaming/media in the absence of other obligations/fields of activity (such as family)
    - mathgeek 4y ago
      Please see your comment I was replying to for context on this thread. Addiction is what I was referring to, which is a different issue than whether one is wasting time to any degree. I have no real issue with folks debating on the latter.
Aeolun 4y ago
You are not necessarily producing value, you are ensuring you are capable of producing value in the future.
tjs8rj 4y ago
“Capitalism would have us believe that…” if you were lazy in a hunter gatherer tribe they’d just no give you food, otherwise punish, or exile you. Some things are more fundamental than capitalism

brokenkebab2 4y ago

Gaming, and watching TV sometimes may not be complete waste of time. But both are addictive, and can easyly make your life miserable.

mathgeek 4y ago
This isn’t really relevant to the current discussion about how much extra time is spent on “work” beyond normal working hours. Working ~40 hours a week and choosing to spend most of your other conscious hours consuming media is a different situation from spending most/all of your hours on the latter.
- mmmpop 4y ago
  https://i.redd.it/3hn1jb4p3ih41.jpg https://i.redd.it/3hn1jb4p3ih41.jpg
- brokenkebab2 4y ago
  Not sure I see your point. "Choosing to spend most of your other conscious hours consuming media" is certainly choosing to waste a significant part of one's lifetime. Doing it all the time is wasting most of it, and likely being broke (with exception of rare edge cases). The question we touched in this particular branch: whether extra work constitutes a better alternative to more gaming/media in the absence of other obligations/fields of activity (such as family)
  - mathgeek 4y ago
    Please see your comment I was replying to for context on this thread. Addiction is what I was referring to, which is a different issue than whether one is wasting time to any degree. I have no real issue with folks debating on the latter.

Aeolun 4y ago

You are not necessarily producing value, you are ensuring you are capable of producing value in the future.

tjs8rj 4y ago

“Capitalism would have us believe that…” if you were lazy in a hunter gatherer tribe they’d just no give you food, otherwise punish, or exile you. Some things are more fundamental than capitalism