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> All genes have a function. For the benefit of readers unfamiliar with the field: this is wrong. You can show this experimentally. Construct a gene that prod

by axg11 4y ago

> All genes have a function. For the benefit of readers unfamiliar with the field: this is wrong. You can show this experimentally. Construct a gene that produces a non-human protein and introduce this to a human cell/genome. That gene would not have a “function” but still exists in the genome. This is actually happening all the time. Some viruses integrate their genomes when infecting cells. Viral integration is one of the factors that shapes genome evolution.

david_l_lin 4y ago
Even an exogenously expressed non-human protein still has a "function". even if you force it to be expressed. We may not understand its effects, but it is certainly doing something. Even just taking up a space is a biological function, which an exogenously expressed protein is doing. The same applies to genes that do not get translated to protein, by definition of "doing something" they have a function. Your viral integration example is actually a perfect example of one where all genes indeed do a have a function, but they are not readily apparent to us. Genes that control latency may not expressed until specific conditions, and that is their function, to control expression. Some genes control integration. I spent 5 years of my life doing my PhD studying viral replication, and the "unknown function of viral genes" was a constant topic of discussion, but we all agreed, they have a function.
- dekhn 4y ago
  You're conflating "consequences and effects" with "function". The former is things that happen due to the physics, the latter is about intent or utility. "Taking up space in the genome is a function" is a great example of this. While I'm sure you can find examples of "spacers that when deleted are fatal", the fitness effect of protein-coding regions that contain no utility is still an area of research. To me, functionality requires selection, although that's probably not necessary or sufficient!

by axg11 4y ago

david_l_lin 4y ago

Even an exogenously expressed non-human protein still has a "function". even if you force it to be expressed. We may not understand its effects, but it is certainly doing something. Even just taking up a space is a biological function, which an exogenously expressed protein is doing. The same applies to genes that do not get translated to protein, by definition of "doing something" they have a function. Your viral integration example is actually a perfect example of one where all genes indeed do a have a function, but they are not readily apparent to us. Genes that control latency may not expressed until specific conditions, and that is their function, to control expression. Some genes control integration. I spent 5 years of my life doing my PhD studying viral replication, and the "unknown function of viral genes" was a constant topic of discussion, but we all agreed, they have a function.

dekhn 4y ago
You're conflating "consequences and effects" with "function". The former is things that happen due to the physics, the latter is about intent or utility. "Taking up space in the genome is a function" is a great example of this. While I'm sure you can find examples of "spacers that when deleted are fatal", the fitness effect of protein-coding regions that contain no utility is still an area of research. To me, functionality requires selection, although that's probably not necessary or sufficient!