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Creator in what sense though? Evolution is slow enough that there was never one point at which we suddenly came into being. First we were energy, then we were
by throwaway892238 4y ago
Creator in what sense though?
Evolution is slow enough that there was never one point at which we suddenly came into being. First we were energy, then we were energy forming into chemicals, then we were chemicals forming into chemicals with rigid structures, then we were chemicals with rigid structures forming more complex structures, etc, until we got to here. Each iteration creates the next iteration, constantly, always. We are always giving birth to ourselves with a teeny tiny change. There is no distinction between a human being and a gas cloud except a couple billion years of iteration.
Since we are always creating ourselves, and whatever created the universe also created us, then we probably created the universe, and are the universe, and are creating it still. We are the creator and the created. It's mobius bagels all the way down.
- hoseja 4y agoWell perhaps if you become omni(scient/present/potent) enough, you can subtly influence that process to your desired goal. Evolution is very random in the end.
- shlurpy 4y agoGoedels incompleteness seems to me to disprove such omni, and if you are stuck thinking by our best models of thinking, its annoying exponential. Basically, to think about a universe enough to predict outcomes, you have to simulate it. To figure out which universe leads to a desired outcone, it seems like you would have to simulate most of the ones that do not as well. So if we presuppose the existance of a creator, maybe we are one of the failed universe thought experiments as she tries to make her intended universe?
- bsenftner 4y ago> It's mobius bagels all the way down. Now that's a fun phrase!
- fsflover 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design