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The thrill of owning something significant is the reason. It's like owning a piece of history.

by hydrok9 4y ago

lupire 4y ago
It's more like owning an NFT... The value of history is the story, which doesn't need to be attached to the object.
- yieldcrv 4y ago
  One thing I find interesting about NFT collections is that the only reason it gets detractors attention is because it works …. so well? Like, we have no idea how much the baseball card issuing organization made, especially not in real time. We have no idea the total supply, or revenue or trading volume. In NFTs we have that instantly. I think the NFT space just provides transparency into the size of the existing collectibles market. Even the proxies we have for digital gaming stuff is just buried deep in quarterly reports of a few publicly traded companies. Most of the facepalm worthy NFT headlines would be non-news if we even had the ability to compare it to the pre-existing collections market.
  - still_grokking 4y ago
    I could have all bored ape pictures and could reproduce them infinitely. What now? How does the NFT thingy stop me from doing that? Actually, one can't even "verify" a NFT if the market side goes down. Because the actual DB isn't on the blockchain…
    - yieldcrv 4y ago
      > I could have all bored ape pictures and could reproduce them infinitely. What now? How does the NFT thingy stop me from doing that? As the grandparent poster alluded to, the history is more important than the image - the same as the fine art and collections world, but technologically enforced in the NFT world. so the transaction hash from the collection contract is more important than the image it accesses, and is way more important than your indefinite reproductions because they won't be in the collection contract. An entry in the bored ape collection contract grants you access to a variety of goods and services. The "NFT thingy" doesn't try to stop you from defrauding undiscerning onlookers or consumers that don't look at the collection contract. The "NFT thingy" prevents you from having programmatic access to gated communities. > Actually, one can't even "verify" a NFT if the market side goes down. Because the actual DB isn't on the blockchain… What are you referring to? Did you mean the market site? You don't need OpenSea or any site to verify current possession, prior possession, or metadata. Some styles of NFT's store metadata on their own servers, which can go down. Some styles of NFT's store metadata on more resilient services like IPFS. Some styles of NFT's store metadata on the blockchain directly. All three styles use the blockchain directly for current possession and prior possession. Which point did you think you were making? I only wrote all that because I didn't know what you were saying specifically.
      - SlickNixon 4y ago
        > a variety of goods and services Which are?
        yieldcrv 4y ago
        Many of last year's NFT collections are for social clubs, where proving current possession grants you access. (if you made it this far in this thread, I should reiterate that NFTs and NFT collections have many differences. A lot of people that spend more energy not using NFT's have not noticed) These social clubs can have a physical real world component such as conferences and events. Some fast executing NFT project creators have been able to pull the logistics off quickly, thinking of Bored Ape Yacht Club (now with a large $450m investment led by Andreesen Horowitz' a16z), and Veefriends Many more of these social clubs are online only, including access to online worlds that are currently being called Metaverses (or usually "the metaverse", pretending others do not exist), many are for benefits conveyed in games. But even more commonly, the interoperability is leveraged and third parties offer access to their own assets and NFT collections by granting access to people that currently possess another NFT collection. Some of these things can be very valuable. Other times, these are "airdropped" directly to the holder of a valuable NFT. As this is programmatic, It is impossible for any of these things to ever factor in a duplicate, or for the duplicate to accrue the same value and demand (unless someone successfully built a community around the duplicate themselves)
        SlickNixon 4y ago
        What prevents people from duplicating the cryptographic key and using that to access said clubs?
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        cryptography
        SlickNixon 4y ago
- KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
  Some people will take this as an argument for NFTs rather than an argument against collecting in general.
- kube-system 4y ago
  NFTs are like collecting beanie babies. When you designate something as a collectible at the start, you’re kind of jumping the gun on that whole “value of history” idea. Some of the most cherished collectibles are the things that nobody thought would be worth anything when they originated.
- hydrok9 4y ago
  But the object is the story. All the stories are about creating and playing those objects. It's hardly irrational to want to own one if you're excited about the subject matter.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  for me, the value is in staring at it, running your hands over it, knowing that decades ago, perhaps hundreds of years ago, this specific object was being seen and felt by another person, just like you a relic in the right hands is both a time machine, and a constant reminder, via all our senses, of our fleeting existence, and of what we can do in that brief time, and what we can leave behind it's also why I like old-growth forests, which don't really require purchase buying something mass-produced last month doesn't give the same sort of visceral, emotional connection

The thrill of owning something significant is the reason. It's like owning a piece of history.

lupire 4y ago

It's more like owning an NFT... The value of history is the story, which doesn't need to be attached to the object.

yieldcrv 4y ago
One thing I find interesting about NFT collections is that the only reason it gets detractors attention is because it works …. so well? Like, we have no idea how much the baseball card issuing organization made, especially not in real time. We have no idea the total supply, or revenue or trading volume. In NFTs we have that instantly. I think the NFT space just provides transparency into the size of the existing collectibles market. Even the proxies we have for digital gaming stuff is just buried deep in quarterly reports of a few publicly traded companies. Most of the facepalm worthy NFT headlines would be non-news if we even had the ability to compare it to the pre-existing collections market.
- still_grokking 4y ago
  I could have all bored ape pictures and could reproduce them infinitely. What now? How does the NFT thingy stop me from doing that? Actually, one can't even "verify" a NFT if the market side goes down. Because the actual DB isn't on the blockchain…
  - yieldcrv 4y ago
    > I could have all bored ape pictures and could reproduce them infinitely. What now? How does the NFT thingy stop me from doing that? As the grandparent poster alluded to, the history is more important than the image - the same as the fine art and collections world, but technologically enforced in the NFT world. so the transaction hash from the collection contract is more important than the image it accesses, and is way more important than your indefinite reproductions because they won't be in the collection contract. An entry in the bored ape collection contract grants you access to a variety of goods and services. The "NFT thingy" doesn't try to stop you from defrauding undiscerning onlookers or consumers that don't look at the collection contract. The "NFT thingy" prevents you from having programmatic access to gated communities. > Actually, one can't even "verify" a NFT if the market side goes down. Because the actual DB isn't on the blockchain… What are you referring to? Did you mean the market site? You don't need OpenSea or any site to verify current possession, prior possession, or metadata. Some styles of NFT's store metadata on their own servers, which can go down. Some styles of NFT's store metadata on more resilient services like IPFS. Some styles of NFT's store metadata on the blockchain directly. All three styles use the blockchain directly for current possession and prior possession. Which point did you think you were making? I only wrote all that because I didn't know what you were saying specifically.
    - SlickNixon 4y ago
      > a variety of goods and services Which are?
      - yieldcrv 4y ago
        Many of last year's NFT collections are for social clubs, where proving current possession grants you access. (if you made it this far in this thread, I should reiterate that NFTs and NFT collections have many differences. A lot of people that spend more energy not using NFT's have not noticed) These social clubs can have a physical real world component such as conferences and events. Some fast executing NFT project creators have been able to pull the logistics off quickly, thinking of Bored Ape Yacht Club (now with a large $450m investment led by Andreesen Horowitz' a16z), and Veefriends Many more of these social clubs are online only, including access to online worlds that are currently being called Metaverses (or usually "the metaverse", pretending others do not exist), many are for benefits conveyed in games. But even more commonly, the interoperability is leveraged and third parties offer access to their own assets and NFT collections by granting access to people that currently possess another NFT collection. Some of these things can be very valuable. Other times, these are "airdropped" directly to the holder of a valuable NFT. As this is programmatic, It is impossible for any of these things to ever factor in a duplicate, or for the duplicate to accrue the same value and demand (unless someone successfully built a community around the duplicate themselves)
        SlickNixon 4y ago
        What prevents people from duplicating the cryptographic key and using that to access said clubs?
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        cryptography
        SlickNixon 4y ago
KaoruAoiShiho 4y ago
Some people will take this as an argument for NFTs rather than an argument against collecting in general.
kube-system 4y ago
NFTs are like collecting beanie babies. When you designate something as a collectible at the start, you’re kind of jumping the gun on that whole “value of history” idea. Some of the most cherished collectibles are the things that nobody thought would be worth anything when they originated.
hydrok9 4y ago
But the object is the story. All the stories are about creating and playing those objects. It's hardly irrational to want to own one if you're excited about the subject matter.
ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
for me, the value is in staring at it, running your hands over it, knowing that decades ago, perhaps hundreds of years ago, this specific object was being seen and felt by another person, just like you a relic in the right hands is both a time machine, and a constant reminder, via all our senses, of our fleeting existence, and of what we can do in that brief time, and what we can leave behind it's also why I like old-growth forests, which don't really require purchase buying something mass-produced last month doesn't give the same sort of visceral, emotional connection