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Unacceptably white is still a horrible way to phrase this. Is the NBA unacceptably black? Why don't we remove basketball courts from inner cities and cut off bl
by derac 4y ago
Unacceptably white is still a horrible way to phrase this. Is the NBA unacceptably black? Why don't we remove basketball courts from inner cities and cut off black kid's feet /s eye roll
BTW, I realize he is arguing for the opposite of this.
edit: If you think I am racist or something let me spell it out as I did in another comment: It is not unacceptable when white children have opportunities. It is unacceptable when black children do not.
- whatshisface 4y agoThat is a bad analogy because the NBA is not the only accessible path to a stable middle class life while school, for many people, is.
- googlryas 4y agoNot even close to true. Going into a trade is a great way to get into a comfortable middle class life. And in those trades, you'll commonly find people who did horrible in school, and thought they were idiots because of it.
- b112 4y agoYes, some trades pay way more, have more available jobs, and have better working conditions (work hours, etc) than PhDs in a variety of sciences.
- davewritescode 4y agoNot everyone is cut out to be a plumber or an electrician. The ultimate goal should be to provide better education for everyone so that all students have as many available options by the time they're ready to pick a career path. Also, I hate these comments from white collar folks about blue collar jobs being the answer to everything. Yes we need them, but we also need to be honest that the average plumber is going to have a harder time working until 65 than an office worker.
- googlryas 4y agoI never said blue collar trade was the answer to everything. I said that the school system is not the answer to everything.
- b112 4y agoYou used 'many' in your second part, which is the same 'not only'.
- whatshisface 4y agoQualitatively yes, but not quantitatively.
- b112 4y agoTo me, "not only" can mean any quantity other than only. I have never heard it used any other way, though I fully admit you may have. So to me, many and not only equate.
- pc86 4y agoSchool is, gifted programs are not.
- chucksta 4y agoSo you have to be in gifted to have a successful life?
- rhexs 4y agoIQ correlates extremely heavily with having a successful life by western civilization standards, yes.
- chucksta 4y agoSo you can't have a high IQ and not be in gifted?
- rhexs 4y agoWhat?
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- chucksta 4y agoYou changed the subject from being in gifted to being gifted. You can exist outside of gifted and still have a high IQ and be a successful person. So, no.
- 0des 4y agoany time you feel your hands touch your hips, and your sentence begins to start with the word "so", just stop what youre doing and go have a snickers.
- chucksta 4y agoAt least my post is relevant to the topic, not just critiquing someone for being hangry
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- bart_spoon 4y agoOne need not be in a gifted program in school in order to achieve a stable middle class life. In fact, the vast majority of those with stable middle class lives didn't participate in gifted programs.
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- munificent 4y agoThere were 49,400,000+ million children in public schools in 2020. There were 529 NBA players. Whether the NBA is unacceptably racially biased is a problem so tiny that it is not worth spending any societal attention solving. That is not true of public schools.
- minsc_and_boo 4y ago>Unacceptably white is still a horrible way to phrase this. Is the NBA unacceptably black? This statement is a textbook syllogistic fallacy. It ignores the qualification context for being gifted vs. being in the NBA. There are a number of historically exclusive systems, prejudiced on socioeconomic and racial standards, that are required prerequisites for being in a gifted school, which do not exist for being in the NBA. Put in simpler terms: open basketball courts != gatekeeping gifted schools EDIT: Nobody here is calling you a racist. Your edit above reads like, "I'm not a racist, but..."
- derac 4y agoNo. It is not unacceptable when white children have opportunities. It is unacceptable when black children do not.
- TameAntelope 4y agoNobody is saying "actively remove white children from gifted programs" they're saying, "when more people qualify for gifted programs than can fit in the program, consider including those who have fewer overall opportunities." Those white kids will get other opportunities to be successful, and the non-white kids will get fewer of those opportunities, because society is racist as hell. Therefore, when you have a chance to give a non-white kid a shot at excellence, and they're qualified, give it to them.
- dpbriggs 4y agoThat would work better if things were more continuous. Having gifted classes imposes several practical barriers: - Resource constraints (e.g. can only afford to teach sixty students) - "catching up"; entering an existing gifted class stream after missing the first few years - You'd want to select early in the school year. Joining a gifted class in the last few weeks of the year is pointless - Kids in gifted streams want or are pressured to remain there Modifications of the current distribution outside of the source and those factors above can result in zero sum outcomes. It's rhetorically useful to wave this off but still a practical concern.