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In what way does this give you hope that the right is moving more center?

by ssully 4y ago

basisword 4y ago
It gives me hope that the left is. If the left shifts more central and becomes more palatable to centre right people than the far right, then the right also needs to shift.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  This reminds me of a comic strip I saw during Obama's term, when he was hailed as a great compromiser. It showed Obama standing opposite a Republican, and the Republican saying: "If you take a step towards me, I'll take a step towards you." So Obama takes a step towards the Republican, who doesn't move and just says again: "If you take a step towards me, I'll take a step towards you."
  - minsc_and_boo 4y ago
    AKA shifting the Overton Window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
    - moistly 4y ago
      Alas, the young do not recognize how very far the window has shifted, because they weren’t around twenty, thirty, forty years ago.
- dathinab 4y ago
  but the left didn't shift left in a relevant degree, they are more right then most center parties in the EU. Its right which shifted so far right that it might seem the left shifted away. A lot of things coming from the republican party, of bring tolerated by the republican party on recent years are uncanily similar to how Hitler proceeded before he started mass murdering (like in the rethoric of speach and willingness to commit violence etc.)
  - mostertoaster 4y ago
    You should probably read some different news sources. The right hasn’t changed much other than they care less about religion/morality than before. I’d say leftists tend to be more authoritarian and less liberal in general than the right. Though the right is also full of the authoritarians who just want it for their side. What the political leaders love is when all the problems are because of the other side. Two wings one bird though.
    - archagon 4y ago
      BS. I have never seen anything like Trump’s attempt to “find” votes and install his own electors, with most of the party (implicitly or explicitly) standing behind him, in my political life.
  - Auracle 4y ago
    > but the left didn't shift left in a relevant degree, they are more right then most center parties in the EU. This is said a lot online, but I'd like some concrete examples. Our abortion laws are (for now) more lax than almost all European countries, and the US left still wants more. Our tax system is more progressive than many European countries, but our rich still need to pay their "fair share." The left in the US wants us to essentially have completely open borders, and there's been a huge pushback to the 'refugees' coming to Europe. There are some things where we're more right than Europe because Republicans or our constitution won't allow it, but that doesn't mean the American left isn't overwhelmingly quite far left. And quite frankly, if you're comparing Republicans to Hitler you're too far left yourself to have a balanced perspective. You could just as easily say something like "The way the Democratic party treats white men in recent years is uncannily similar to how Hitler treated Jews..." Both are ridiculous statements.
    - dathinab 4y ago
      > Our abortion laws are (for now) more lax than almost all European countries, The way it currently looks is the right want to ban abortion no matter what context. Which is far far more strict then most EU countries. And the current legality status is in a legal gray are as far as I know, which is also worse then in many EU countries, through in practice in some states might not. And sure there are EU countries which are also quite far right. > Our tax system is more progressive than many European countries Progressive is not the same as left/right. I'm not sure a tax system can be left/right at all. But if we look at the usage of taxes than it's a very clear no. > but our rich still need to pay their "fair share." No, not at all. Through sadly that is the case for huge parts of the word. > The left in the US wants us to essentially have completely open borders, and there's been a huge pushback to the 'refugees' coming to Europe. The US (and EU) are a major (but not the only) drivers behind the conflicts leading to the refuges...
- zozbot234 4y ago
  Hotelling equilibrium for the win!
Jun8 4y ago
Article states that Trump-backed candidates did not do well.
- worker_person 4y ago
  Last I checked most of them have done very well.
sudden_dystopia 4y ago
Because the left has gone so far left that everyone looks like they are far right comparatively. So by having the left come more towards the center, the whole political spectrum would shrink back towards the middle.
- bergenty 4y ago
- seizethegdgap 4y ago
  Abortion is about to become illegal in almost half the country, police departments overwhelmingly haven't been defunded, congress didn't pass an infrastructure bill, the federal minimum wage is still $7.25, there's still been no repercussions for 1/6, trans kids can't get proper healthcare in 2 republican States (and growing), there's no universal healthcare or student debt forgiveness, and there's still no meaningful gun reform. Your claim that the left has gone "so far left that everyone looks like they are far right comparatively" is detached from reality.
  - Auracle 4y ago
    >Abortion is about to become illegal in almost half the country A Supreme Court decision reversing one that was dubiously made in the first place. It'll be interesting to see how many of those states will roll back abortion from being illegal to something more reasonable. >Police departments overwhelmingly haven't been defunded An incredibly far left idea >Congress didn't pass an infrastructure bill It's pretty far left to say we need to spend trillions on new projects at a time with high inflation and a shortage of workers >The federal minimum wage is still $7.25 Which we found out is largely inconsequential in a time when McDonalds is advertising $17 an hour. >There's still been no repercussions for 1/6 Some people are going to prison for the riot. What other repercussions should there be? >Trans kids can't get proper healthcare in 2 republican States (and growing) Alternatively, two states are protecting children before they have the capacity to make completely life altering decisions. >There's no universal healthcare or student debt forgiveness Student debt forgiveness is an incredibly far left idea >And there's still no meaningful gun reform Most of things you listed, like this one, are things that the left wants shifted to the left. The whole point is that the left has shifted left, and pointing out that things that they want haven't been accomplished doesn't dispute that. It just means the right has been fighting to maintain the status quo - and certainly doesn't show that they've shifted right.
Auracle 4y ago
I'm in a fairly purple state and I don't consider myself a Republican, a Democrat, or even a moderate. I have some views that align with one party and some that align with another. If anything, the right has largely shifted to the center over the course of my life. For example: they, along with Democrats for quite a while, were opposed to gay marriage. While I'm sure there's still a small contingent that would roll that back if they could it's very much not an issue for the party anymore. The left, or at least a good portion of the democratic party? They've gone off the rails in the past 10+ years. Everything is now about race or sex. Everything. It's 100% OK to discriminate against white men. We should have open borders. Abortion should be legal up until birth. Prepubescent children should be allowed to go on hormone blockers and get surgery if they think they're trans. Transwomen should be able to compete against women in sports. The Kavanaugh confirmation was a disgusting point in US history. Let's ban guns. The list could go on. From what I see, Republicans largely want things to stay the same or be rolled back by a decade or so.
- tomaspollak 4y ago
  It seems republicans have moved further to the right than democrats have to the left: https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1519759762832994308 https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/151975976283299430...
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- teachrdan 4y ago
  > If anything, the right has largely shifted to the center over the course of my life The Republican party is vastly more anti-abortion and anti-gun control now than in the past. It is mainstream in the GOP to talk about punishing women who get abortions. And in New York, a Republican congressman who said he'd vote for gun control in the wake of a mass shooting in Buffalo, New York, in addition to the one in Texas faced so much backlash from his party he had to quit politics. I think what you've fallen for is a rhetorical trick Republican politicians use. They say, "Of course Roe vs Wade is settled law." And then they tirelessly work to undermine it, which is exactly what's happening right now. > From what I see, Republicans largely want things to stay the same or be rolled back by a decade or so. If what you said is true, the GOP would support the right to abortion and an assault weapons ban. Instead they are rolling back abortion rights by 50 years (Roe was decided in 1973) and expanding the "right" to purchase high powered firearms without background checks and carry them, concealed, without any training, to a degree literally never seen in US history. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/facing-backlash-republican-congressman-quits-race-after-supporting-us-gun-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/facing-backlash-republican-... https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096108319/roe-v-wade-alito-conservative-justices-confirmation-hearings https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096108319/roe-v-wade-alito-c...

In what way does this give you hope that the right is moving more center?

by ssully 4y ago

In what way does this give you hope that the right is moving more center?

It gives me hope that the left is. If the left shifts more central and becomes more palatable to centre right people than the far right, then the right also needs to shift.

pmoriarty 4y ago
This reminds me of a comic strip I saw during Obama's term, when he was hailed as a great compromiser. It showed Obama standing opposite a Republican, and the Republican saying: "If you take a step towards me, I'll take a step towards you." So Obama takes a step towards the Republican, who doesn't move and just says again: "If you take a step towards me, I'll take a step towards you."
- minsc_and_boo 4y ago
  AKA shifting the Overton Window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
  - moistly 4y ago
    Alas, the young do not recognize how very far the window has shifted, because they weren’t around twenty, thirty, forty years ago.
dathinab 4y ago
but the left didn't shift left in a relevant degree, they are more right then most center parties in the EU. Its right which shifted so far right that it might seem the left shifted away. A lot of things coming from the republican party, of bring tolerated by the republican party on recent years are uncanily similar to how Hitler proceeded before he started mass murdering (like in the rethoric of speach and willingness to commit violence etc.)
- mostertoaster 4y ago
  You should probably read some different news sources. The right hasn’t changed much other than they care less about religion/morality than before. I’d say leftists tend to be more authoritarian and less liberal in general than the right. Though the right is also full of the authoritarians who just want it for their side. What the political leaders love is when all the problems are because of the other side. Two wings one bird though.
  - archagon 4y ago
    BS. I have never seen anything like Trump’s attempt to “find” votes and install his own electors, with most of the party (implicitly or explicitly) standing behind him, in my political life.
- Auracle 4y ago
  > but the left didn't shift left in a relevant degree, they are more right then most center parties in the EU. This is said a lot online, but I'd like some concrete examples. Our abortion laws are (for now) more lax than almost all European countries, and the US left still wants more. Our tax system is more progressive than many European countries, but our rich still need to pay their "fair share." The left in the US wants us to essentially have completely open borders, and there's been a huge pushback to the 'refugees' coming to Europe. There are some things where we're more right than Europe because Republicans or our constitution won't allow it, but that doesn't mean the American left isn't overwhelmingly quite far left. And quite frankly, if you're comparing Republicans to Hitler you're too far left yourself to have a balanced perspective. You could just as easily say something like "The way the Democratic party treats white men in recent years is uncannily similar to how Hitler treated Jews..." Both are ridiculous statements.
  - dathinab 4y ago
    > Our abortion laws are (for now) more lax than almost all European countries, The way it currently looks is the right want to ban abortion no matter what context. Which is far far more strict then most EU countries. And the current legality status is in a legal gray are as far as I know, which is also worse then in many EU countries, through in practice in some states might not. And sure there are EU countries which are also quite far right. > Our tax system is more progressive than many European countries Progressive is not the same as left/right. I'm not sure a tax system can be left/right at all. But if we look at the usage of taxes than it's a very clear no. > but our rich still need to pay their "fair share." No, not at all. Through sadly that is the case for huge parts of the word. > The left in the US wants us to essentially have completely open borders, and there's been a huge pushback to the 'refugees' coming to Europe. The US (and EU) are a major (but not the only) drivers behind the conflicts leading to the refuges...
zozbot234 4y ago
Hotelling equilibrium for the win!

Jun8 4y ago

Article states that Trump-backed candidates did not do well.

worker_person 4y ago
Last I checked most of them have done very well.

sudden_dystopia 4y ago

Because the left has gone so far left that everyone looks like they are far right comparatively. So by having the left come more towards the center, the whole political spectrum would shrink back towards the middle.

bergenty 4y ago
seizethegdgap 4y ago
Abortion is about to become illegal in almost half the country, police departments overwhelmingly haven't been defunded, congress didn't pass an infrastructure bill, the federal minimum wage is still $7.25, there's still been no repercussions for 1/6, trans kids can't get proper healthcare in 2 republican States (and growing), there's no universal healthcare or student debt forgiveness, and there's still no meaningful gun reform. Your claim that the left has gone "so far left that everyone looks like they are far right comparatively" is detached from reality.
- Auracle 4y ago
  >Abortion is about to become illegal in almost half the country A Supreme Court decision reversing one that was dubiously made in the first place. It'll be interesting to see how many of those states will roll back abortion from being illegal to something more reasonable. >Police departments overwhelmingly haven't been defunded An incredibly far left idea >Congress didn't pass an infrastructure bill It's pretty far left to say we need to spend trillions on new projects at a time with high inflation and a shortage of workers >The federal minimum wage is still $7.25 Which we found out is largely inconsequential in a time when McDonalds is advertising $17 an hour. >There's still been no repercussions for 1/6 Some people are going to prison for the riot. What other repercussions should there be? >Trans kids can't get proper healthcare in 2 republican States (and growing) Alternatively, two states are protecting children before they have the capacity to make completely life altering decisions. >There's no universal healthcare or student debt forgiveness Student debt forgiveness is an incredibly far left idea >And there's still no meaningful gun reform Most of things you listed, like this one, are things that the left wants shifted to the left. The whole point is that the left has shifted left, and pointing out that things that they want haven't been accomplished doesn't dispute that. It just means the right has been fighting to maintain the status quo - and certainly doesn't show that they've shifted right.

Auracle 4y ago

I'm in a fairly purple state and I don't consider myself a Republican, a Democrat, or even a moderate. I have some views that align with one party and some that align with another. If anything, the right has largely shifted to the center over the course of my life. For example: they, along with Democrats for quite a while, were opposed to gay marriage. While I'm sure there's still a small contingent that would roll that back if they could it's very much not an issue for the party anymore. The left, or at least a good portion of the democratic party? They've gone off the rails in the past 10+ years. Everything is now about race or sex. Everything. It's 100% OK to discriminate against white men. We should have open borders. Abortion should be legal up until birth. Prepubescent children should be allowed to go on hormone blockers and get surgery if they think they're trans. Transwomen should be able to compete against women in sports. The Kavanaugh confirmation was a disgusting point in US history. Let's ban guns. The list could go on. From what I see, Republicans largely want things to stay the same or be rolled back by a decade or so.

tomaspollak 4y ago
It seems republicans have moved further to the right than democrats have to the left: https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1519759762832994308 https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/151975976283299430...
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teachrdan 4y ago
> If anything, the right has largely shifted to the center over the course of my life The Republican party is vastly more anti-abortion and anti-gun control now than in the past. It is mainstream in the GOP to talk about punishing women who get abortions. And in New York, a Republican congressman who said he'd vote for gun control in the wake of a mass shooting in Buffalo, New York, in addition to the one in Texas faced so much backlash from his party he had to quit politics. I think what you've fallen for is a rhetorical trick Republican politicians use. They say, "Of course Roe vs Wade is settled law." And then they tirelessly work to undermine it, which is exactly what's happening right now. > From what I see, Republicans largely want things to stay the same or be rolled back by a decade or so. If what you said is true, the GOP would support the right to abortion and an assault weapons ban. Instead they are rolling back abortion rights by 50 years (Roe was decided in 1973) and expanding the "right" to purchase high powered firearms without background checks and carry them, concealed, without any training, to a degree literally never seen in US history. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/facing-backlash-republican-congressman-quits-race-after-supporting-us-gun-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/facing-backlash-republican-... https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096108319/roe-v-wade-alito-conservative-justices-confirmation-hearings https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096108319/roe-v-wade-alito-c...