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Calling doctors, collectively, the "American medical cartel" isn't helpful language. It's just more polarizing politics that breaks down constructive dialogue.

by q1w2 4y ago

anamexis 4y ago
I don’t see them referring to doctors as such.
- q1w2 4y ago
  Who do you think is making the majority of these diagnostic errors?
  - rscho 4y ago
    Medical errors are not all diagnostic errors, far from it. All kinds of healthcare workers are involved.
  - str34m 4y ago
  - anamexis 4y ago
    It wasn’t in question who was making them, it’s who would be responsible for reporting them.
willcipriano 4y ago
Don't behave like a cartel if you don't want to be called one. From limiting residency slots, making it nearly impossible to hire foreign doctors and lobbying for safe medications that are sold over the counter in the rest of the world to be sold as prescription only in the US. Just to name a few, the AMA has served it's members well to the detriment of anyone buying healthcare in the United States. That to me is a cartel, they just use a "certificate of need" to enforce it's will rather than a gun.
- danachow 4y ago
  Anytime someone mentions the AMA I just have to ignore them completely. It’s not that the AMA hasn’t done some shady shit throughout the years (especially the 60s), it’s just that in 2022 they are so close to irrelevant that painting them as a boogieman merely shows that your name information is about 50 years out of date. The “medical cartel” as you call it is more and more getting shaped by a number or powerful interest groups none of which are the AMA that is pushing somewhat successfully for fewer doctors in most specialities.
  - jac241 4y ago
    Amen. The American Hospital Association wields way more power now. Mergers between hospital systems have led to the large hospital systems being among the largest employers in many states, which means that senators and representatives are going to listen to what they want. Certainly more than they do to the AMA, which might only represent like 25% of doctors anymore.
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      Even if true how does that make medicine less of a cartel?
- nradov 4y ago
  Please stop spreading misinformation. The AMA doesn't limit residency slots. They have been actively lobbying Congress to increase residency slots, and have even put their own money into it. https://www.ama-assn.org/education/accelerating-change-medical-education/ama-reimagining-residency-initiative https://www.ama-assn.org/education/accelerating-change-medic...
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    > Launched in June 2019 They were actively lobbying to reduce residency slots as late as 2012. They only started the program you linked to when became common knowledge that they were attempting to limit the number of doctors.

Calling doctors, collectively, the "American medical cartel" isn't helpful language. It's just more polarizing politics that breaks down constructive dialogue.

by q1w2 4y ago

Calling doctors, collectively, the "American medical cartel" isn't helpful language. It's just more polarizing politics that breaks down constructive dialogue.

anamexis 4y ago

I don’t see them referring to doctors as such.

q1w2 4y ago
Who do you think is making the majority of these diagnostic errors?
- rscho 4y ago
  Medical errors are not all diagnostic errors, far from it. All kinds of healthcare workers are involved.
- str34m 4y ago
- anamexis 4y ago
  It wasn’t in question who was making them, it’s who would be responsible for reporting them.

willcipriano 4y ago

Don't behave like a cartel if you don't want to be called one. From limiting residency slots, making it nearly impossible to hire foreign doctors and lobbying for safe medications that are sold over the counter in the rest of the world to be sold as prescription only in the US. Just to name a few, the AMA has served it's members well to the detriment of anyone buying healthcare in the United States. That to me is a cartel, they just use a "certificate of need" to enforce it's will rather than a gun.

danachow 4y ago
Anytime someone mentions the AMA I just have to ignore them completely. It’s not that the AMA hasn’t done some shady shit throughout the years (especially the 60s), it’s just that in 2022 they are so close to irrelevant that painting them as a boogieman merely shows that your name information is about 50 years out of date. The “medical cartel” as you call it is more and more getting shaped by a number or powerful interest groups none of which are the AMA that is pushing somewhat successfully for fewer doctors in most specialities.
- jac241 4y ago
  Amen. The American Hospital Association wields way more power now. Mergers between hospital systems have led to the large hospital systems being among the largest employers in many states, which means that senators and representatives are going to listen to what they want. Certainly more than they do to the AMA, which might only represent like 25% of doctors anymore.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    Even if true how does that make medicine less of a cartel?
nradov 4y ago
Please stop spreading misinformation. The AMA doesn't limit residency slots. They have been actively lobbying Congress to increase residency slots, and have even put their own money into it. https://www.ama-assn.org/education/accelerating-change-medical-education/ama-reimagining-residency-initiative https://www.ama-assn.org/education/accelerating-change-medic...
- willcipriano 4y ago
  > Launched in June 2019 They were actively lobbying to reduce residency slots as late as 2012. They only started the program you linked to when became common knowledge that they were attempting to limit the number of doctors.