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My limited experience (thank god not 17 days) being held for almost a day with border patrol is that complaining about being held just encourages them. Yes the

My limited experience (thank god not 17 days) being held for almost a day with border patrol is that complaining about being held just encourages them. Yes they live for that shit. As someone with a 'flagged' US passport (despite no criminal record nor violating US border related law) who is repeatedly been detained and thrown in a cell without even being arrested or charged with a crime, I've become quite accustomed to how agents of the state treat those under their detainment. The best strategy is to pretend like you don't give a fuck and that you enjoy the experience; then the agents lose their amusement with you and eventually grow bored of fucking with you. If you act annoyed they latch on to you and toy with it the way a cat toys with prey. Sadly this guy made the mistake of thinking jailers are not psychopaths. Never give psychopaths an opportunity to see your weaknesses.

duxup 4y ago
> just encourages them Who? My comment was more about the hearing.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Oh I see now, you were referring to exclusively speaking to the judge. Yes maybe that makes more sense. I have no idea if judges are as psychopathic as jailers are.
  - heretogetout 4y ago
    They absolutely can be. There are many stories of judges getting kickbacks for sending people off to prison and there's the FISA court rubberstamping (nearly) all requests from law enforcement.
Aeolun 4y ago
How is this reasonable, if not criminal behavior? If your jailers keep you without explaining what you are detained for, or if that reason turns out to be incorrect, it aught to be a crime.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Once you're in a cell, whether it is reasonable or not becomes irrelevant (or at least not too useful to fixate on in the short run). You deal with the reality and debate the reasonableness after you attain freedom.
  - ChrisKnott 4y ago
    Do you have any links to explain this. I don't understand what gives them the power to detain you...?
    - BrianHenryIE 4y ago
      https://reddit.com/r/acab https://reddit.com/r/acab The guns and support they have give them the power. The law does not always support them, but often does. Watch the videos in the link and the corresponding lack of justice to understand what our reality is.
    - wombatpm 4y ago
      The Constitution does not apply at the borders
      - sky-kedge0749 4y ago
        That's not true, see: https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone. In fact "the Constitution doesn't apply at the borders" is what border cops want people to think, so repeating it is doing their work for them.
        notch656a 4y ago
        Unfortunately authority 'given' to CBP at the actual border (for crossers) significantly exceeds that of the 100 mile zone. They can basically detain you indefinitely without charging you with a crime and meanwhile strip search you, finger print you, toss you in a cell, etc. The constitution doesn't apply at the border. Maybe in theory it does, but in reality it doesn't. CBP Officers specifically told me "I consent to whatever happens afterwards when I cross the border." [ Also been told once, me a US citizen with a passport, that they had decided not to let me in my own country. Was not let through until an HSI detective came to "make sure I wasn't ISIS." ] You get no attorney. You can't contact anyone. You can't touch your phone, if you have one. You can be tossed in custody without any oversight, and without being mirandarized. I have been booked, finger printed, tossed in a cell as a US citizen who provided a legal passport and violated no laws. You can be tossed in a van, cuffed and shackled and driven wherever they like, including hospitals where they will try to convince doctors to anal probe you (this is a real example from my personal experience). I've studied the court cases involving US citizens, including a woman who had her orifices brutally penetrated until they were raw by a doctor[0]. THe federal docket shows no real result, and that the CBP investigated themselves and determined they did nothing wrong. In the end the courts don't give a fuck, and most Americans don't even have a passport. I'm quite sure a good 10% of Americans would go along with a proposal that said "We should allow border patrol to shoot any suspicious persons at our borders." Border and immigration are notoriously dystopian arms of the government, because citizens either have bigger concerns or just don't give a shit what happens there. If you contact a lawyer regarding border abuse, they will basically refer you to the (swamped) ACLU, because they know it's a waste of their time to even try. [0] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985537/gov.uscourts.azd.985537.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985...

duxup 4y ago

> just encourages them Who? My comment was more about the hearing.

notch656a 4y ago
Oh I see now, you were referring to exclusively speaking to the judge. Yes maybe that makes more sense. I have no idea if judges are as psychopathic as jailers are.
- heretogetout 4y ago
  They absolutely can be. There are many stories of judges getting kickbacks for sending people off to prison and there's the FISA court rubberstamping (nearly) all requests from law enforcement.

Aeolun 4y ago

How is this reasonable, if not criminal behavior? If your jailers keep you without explaining what you are detained for, or if that reason turns out to be incorrect, it aught to be a crime.

notch656a 4y ago
Once you're in a cell, whether it is reasonable or not becomes irrelevant (or at least not too useful to fixate on in the short run). You deal with the reality and debate the reasonableness after you attain freedom.
- ChrisKnott 4y ago
  Do you have any links to explain this. I don't understand what gives them the power to detain you...?
  - BrianHenryIE 4y ago
    https://reddit.com/r/acab https://reddit.com/r/acab The guns and support they have give them the power. The law does not always support them, but often does. Watch the videos in the link and the corresponding lack of justice to understand what our reality is.
  - wombatpm 4y ago
    The Constitution does not apply at the borders
    - sky-kedge0749 4y ago
      That's not true, see: https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone. In fact "the Constitution doesn't apply at the borders" is what border cops want people to think, so repeating it is doing their work for them.
      - notch656a 4y ago
        Unfortunately authority 'given' to CBP at the actual border (for crossers) significantly exceeds that of the 100 mile zone. They can basically detain you indefinitely without charging you with a crime and meanwhile strip search you, finger print you, toss you in a cell, etc. The constitution doesn't apply at the border. Maybe in theory it does, but in reality it doesn't. CBP Officers specifically told me "I consent to whatever happens afterwards when I cross the border." [ Also been told once, me a US citizen with a passport, that they had decided not to let me in my own country. Was not let through until an HSI detective came to "make sure I wasn't ISIS." ] You get no attorney. You can't contact anyone. You can't touch your phone, if you have one. You can be tossed in custody without any oversight, and without being mirandarized. I have been booked, finger printed, tossed in a cell as a US citizen who provided a legal passport and violated no laws. You can be tossed in a van, cuffed and shackled and driven wherever they like, including hospitals where they will try to convince doctors to anal probe you (this is a real example from my personal experience). I've studied the court cases involving US citizens, including a woman who had her orifices brutally penetrated until they were raw by a doctor[0]. THe federal docket shows no real result, and that the CBP investigated themselves and determined they did nothing wrong. In the end the courts don't give a fuck, and most Americans don't even have a passport. I'm quite sure a good 10% of Americans would go along with a proposal that said "We should allow border patrol to shoot any suspicious persons at our borders." Border and immigration are notoriously dystopian arms of the government, because citizens either have bigger concerns or just don't give a shit what happens there. If you contact a lawyer regarding border abuse, they will basically refer you to the (swamped) ACLU, because they know it's a waste of their time to even try. [0] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985537/gov.uscourts.azd.985537.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985...