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There is no reason why you should even have to ask Apple to install software on a device you own. iOS is a jail operating system.

nirvana 15y ago
I install whatever software I want on my iPhone, and I don't have to ask Apple before I do it. I can install software with any license I want- apache, GPL, whatever. And I haven't jailbroken my phone. You're shifting the goalposts. Stallman is complaining about the AppStore which is where Apple sells software and Apple chooses not to sell pornography. That's their choice. Any consumer, with an iPhone that is not jailbroken, can install whatever software they want, provided it is written in HTML and javascript. The iPhone is a totally open, standards based, host, and Apple exercises no control over it. You can even go visit porn sites. Further, Apple has worked to make this platform a first rate citizen in its operating system. HTML/Javascript Apps can be installed, added to the home screen, can have local data, and can run when there is no network connection, and they can do absolutely whatever you want.
- Daishiman 15y ago
  > Any consumer, with an iPhone that is not jailbroken, can install whatever software they want, provided it is written in HTML and javascript. That is the exact, very definition of "not any software they want". > Further, Apple has worked to make this platform a first rate citizen in its operating system. Too bad that in order to make it interact with my own computer, I have to install a proprietary, disgusting program with locked-down protocols.
- 5hoom 15y ago
  I'm an iOS developer & a fan of the app store system (from the small indie developers point of view), but there is no way I can kid myself that iOS is an open platform. Javascript & HTML are very nice inclusions, but really unless you can run arbitrary native code on the device I don't think it counts.
- freemarketteddy 15y ago
  What are you smoking?
Locke1689 15y ago
So what? Don't use it.
- Daishiman 15y ago
  I don't, but I fully agree with Stallman that the fact that it accustoms people to the notion that they shouldn't expect to have complete control over hardware they own is a very, very wrong path to take. Of course, like most of the things Stallman is right about, it's the kind of thing you don't notice until it actually affects you.
  - dorian-graph 15y ago
    If you, Stallman and whoever are talking about what people learn (I.e. they don't have complete control over hardware) it is near entirely useless to speak of those who do so. Assuming everything Stallman holds dear to his beard is true and will benefit everyone, with effective teaching (So, people understand the idea, see why it would benefit and are able toact) people would begin to change. Lambasting Apple, Microsoft and whoever is such a petty way to go about this and shows a certain lack of trust in their own ideas. Steve Jobs showed more trust in his own ideas. He [and others he worked with] went ahead, built something, and people now use it. Jobs and friends seemed less worried about others and whatever their ideas and products were which seems to be the opposite of Stallman, companies, groups, etc. "There are those who always speak of themselves, and they are either insecure or proud. There are those who always speak of others. They are usually very boring. There are those who speak of stirring ideas, compelling books, and inspiring doctrine. These are the few who make their mark in this world."
- gujk 15y ago
  Yeah, that's the whole point of this topic.
- gujk 15y ago
  Yeah, that's the whole point of this topic.

nirvana 15y ago

I install whatever software I want on my iPhone, and I don't have to ask Apple before I do it. I can install software with any license I want- apache, GPL, whatever. And I haven't jailbroken my phone. You're shifting the goalposts. Stallman is complaining about the AppStore which is where Apple sells software and Apple chooses not to sell pornography. That's their choice. Any consumer, with an iPhone that is not jailbroken, can install whatever software they want, provided it is written in HTML and javascript. The iPhone is a totally open, standards based, host, and Apple exercises no control over it. You can even go visit porn sites. Further, Apple has worked to make this platform a first rate citizen in its operating system. HTML/Javascript Apps can be installed, added to the home screen, can have local data, and can run when there is no network connection, and they can do absolutely whatever you want.

Daishiman 15y ago
> Any consumer, with an iPhone that is not jailbroken, can install whatever software they want, provided it is written in HTML and javascript. That is the exact, very definition of "not any software they want". > Further, Apple has worked to make this platform a first rate citizen in its operating system. Too bad that in order to make it interact with my own computer, I have to install a proprietary, disgusting program with locked-down protocols.
5hoom 15y ago
I'm an iOS developer & a fan of the app store system (from the small indie developers point of view), but there is no way I can kid myself that iOS is an open platform. Javascript & HTML are very nice inclusions, but really unless you can run arbitrary native code on the device I don't think it counts.
freemarketteddy 15y ago
What are you smoking?

Locke1689 15y ago

So what? Don't use it.

Daishiman 15y ago
I don't, but I fully agree with Stallman that the fact that it accustoms people to the notion that they shouldn't expect to have complete control over hardware they own is a very, very wrong path to take. Of course, like most of the things Stallman is right about, it's the kind of thing you don't notice until it actually affects you.
- dorian-graph 15y ago
  If you, Stallman and whoever are talking about what people learn (I.e. they don't have complete control over hardware) it is near entirely useless to speak of those who do so. Assuming everything Stallman holds dear to his beard is true and will benefit everyone, with effective teaching (So, people understand the idea, see why it would benefit and are able toact) people would begin to change. Lambasting Apple, Microsoft and whoever is such a petty way to go about this and shows a certain lack of trust in their own ideas. Steve Jobs showed more trust in his own ideas. He [and others he worked with] went ahead, built something, and people now use it. Jobs and friends seemed less worried about others and whatever their ideas and products were which seems to be the opposite of Stallman, companies, groups, etc. "There are those who always speak of themselves, and they are either insecure or proud. There are those who always speak of others. They are usually very boring. There are those who speak of stirring ideas, compelling books, and inspiring doctrine. These are the few who make their mark in this world."
gujk 15y ago
Yeah, that's the whole point of this topic.
gujk 15y ago
Yeah, that's the whole point of this topic.