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Plenty of people, me included, (males and/or high performance in particular) care more about things than people and will find extremely tiring to talk to people

Plenty of people, me included, (males and/or high performance in particular) care more about things than people and will find extremely tiring to talk to people or take care or their kids. Coding doesn't tire me, dealing with kids does. There are people who have the opposite experience and people who feel ok with both. This idea that parents should uniquely and equally be caretaker for their kids is absolutely against biological reality for a lot of people; I'm happy to be around my kids for a limited amount of time (and the less they're toddlers the more I can spend with them without going insane) but my main contribution is providing them food, shelter and protection. My mandated paternity leaves, while being economically advantageous, were an absolute nightmare.

CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
It seems to me like you actually don't want to be a parent?
- yakubin 4y ago
  To me it seems he doesn't like spending time with toddlers. It's a big jump from here to conclude that he doesn't want to be a parent. Toddlerhood is just a temporary state.
  - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
    He literally said he cares more about things than people and his parental leave was a nightmare. To me it seems he just hates toddlers more than other people. But even if what you say is true I'd still say he doesn't want to be a parent. You don't pick and choose with parenthood.
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      Many new parents always go through some depression when their first kid is just born, the life changes are drastic and sacrifices have to be made. My wife got hit with more of this than me, so I took a couple of years off of work to take care of our (then) baby so she could go back to work earlier (she just moved to the USA and was unemployed, and I just got laid off from YCR, so we got to make a choice). Always got to look out for the mental health of your partner, and judging isn’t very useful.
hapiri 4y ago
Mandated paternity leaves is to provide an equal part contributions towards children for both the mother and the father. Otherwise the mother take most of the hit ( as evidence in countries without it ).
- gommm 4y ago
  It's also to create gender equality in the work place. If there's only maternity leave then hiring a woman of childbearing age has a higher risk for an employer than hiring a man. This leads to discrimination in the workplace with women having lower salaries, less access to interesting projects etc.. because the thinking goes that she is likely to become pregnant and have maternity leave. In countries where men have mandatory paternity leaves that are significant this imbalance is greatly reduced.
Termitiono 4y ago
Holy shit. Your motivation to spend time with your kid sounds terrible. You could actually spend time on thinking what you could do with your kids. Why did you get kids in the first place?
olau 4y ago
This is besides the point you're making, but I personally feel that being a parent is mostly a ghost job. You need to figure out how to put the children in positions where they'll find things to play with themselves, and then let them do it. For me, I just bring a package of crackers, some water, then go out in the streets with my kids, visiting nearby playgrounds or lots with trees. They'll then start playing, perhaps needing a little help getting started, and my involvement is mostly coming up with a plan for where to go next, and watching out for signs of exhaustion. So most of the time, I'm actually not active. I also enjoy having limited help with say cooking or cleaning, but yeah, that's exhausting, because you need to multitask and both do the job and monitor their state and the job they are doing.
- pnutjam 4y ago
  If you're doing it right, it's pretty boring. Kids need to play and you're just kind of hanging around the playground. Good opportunity for reading, or sometimes I listen to a podcast with one ear and keep the other one free for kids.

CorrectHorseBat 4y ago

It seems to me like you actually don't want to be a parent?

yakubin 4y ago
To me it seems he doesn't like spending time with toddlers. It's a big jump from here to conclude that he doesn't want to be a parent. Toddlerhood is just a temporary state.
- CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
  He literally said he cares more about things than people and his parental leave was a nightmare. To me it seems he just hates toddlers more than other people. But even if what you say is true I'd still say he doesn't want to be a parent. You don't pick and choose with parenthood.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    Many new parents always go through some depression when their first kid is just born, the life changes are drastic and sacrifices have to be made. My wife got hit with more of this than me, so I took a couple of years off of work to take care of our (then) baby so she could go back to work earlier (she just moved to the USA and was unemployed, and I just got laid off from YCR, so we got to make a choice). Always got to look out for the mental health of your partner, and judging isn’t very useful.

hapiri 4y ago

Mandated paternity leaves is to provide an equal part contributions towards children for both the mother and the father. Otherwise the mother take most of the hit ( as evidence in countries without it ).

gommm 4y ago
It's also to create gender equality in the work place. If there's only maternity leave then hiring a woman of childbearing age has a higher risk for an employer than hiring a man. This leads to discrimination in the workplace with women having lower salaries, less access to interesting projects etc.. because the thinking goes that she is likely to become pregnant and have maternity leave. In countries where men have mandatory paternity leaves that are significant this imbalance is greatly reduced.

Termitiono 4y ago

Holy shit. Your motivation to spend time with your kid sounds terrible. You could actually spend time on thinking what you could do with your kids. Why did you get kids in the first place?

olau 4y ago

This is besides the point you're making, but I personally feel that being a parent is mostly a ghost job. You need to figure out how to put the children in positions where they'll find things to play with themselves, and then let them do it. For me, I just bring a package of crackers, some water, then go out in the streets with my kids, visiting nearby playgrounds or lots with trees. They'll then start playing, perhaps needing a little help getting started, and my involvement is mostly coming up with a plan for where to go next, and watching out for signs of exhaustion. So most of the time, I'm actually not active. I also enjoy having limited help with say cooking or cleaning, but yeah, that's exhausting, because you need to multitask and both do the job and monitor their state and the job they are doing.

pnutjam 4y ago
If you're doing it right, it's pretty boring. Kids need to play and you're just kind of hanging around the playground. Good opportunity for reading, or sometimes I listen to a podcast with one ear and keep the other one free for kids.