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How do you provide fanless laptop, and extended battery life if you don't care about maximizing performance while maintaining ultra low power usage? That is wh

How do you provide fanless laptop, and extended battery life if you don't care about maximizing performance while maintaining ultra low power usage? That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop you don't need apple marketing team to see how people are fed-up with hot windows laptops and their noisy fans (and blind btw, pun intended or maybe not lol)

refulgentis 4y ago
I agree, a fanless cool laptop is preferable over a loud fan and hot laptop
Quarrel 4y ago
> That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop A huge majority buy windows based laptops. Macbook Air's are the best selling laptop because of the fragmentation of the Windows laptop market amongst manufacturers. MacOS does not in any way make up a majority of laptops. I get that it is 2001 again and we should all be shitting on MS, but let's try and keep some facts in the conversation.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  Incapable of attacking my argument about fanless/power efficiency, instead you nitpick on the sales > I get that it is 2001 again and we should all be shitting on MS, but let's try and keep some facts in the conversation. That's a windows 11 with snapdragon for you! fanless! ha
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    It's not a "nitpick" you made a specific claim. Not the person you're replying to but I'll reply: I think the M1 is really nice, although I don't care much for some other MacBook hardware design decisions and I don't care much for macOS either, so I didn't buy one, but I did spend some time considering it and looking at options. In the meanwhile, my current ThinkPad is "effectively fanless, most of the time". What this means is that as I'm typing this it doesn't need any fans. It doesn't most of the time, even when I'm programming and compile my project (incremental compiles) it doesn't need the fans, and it remains fairly cool as well. With full compiles or some (not even all) games it does need the fans, and that's okay with me. And this laptop is actually 4/5 years old; I got it "second-hand new". Newer ones are even better. Oh, and the battery also lasts about 15 hours on a full charge, which is not as good as a M1 machine, but "more than good enough" for me. So "full fanless" would certainly be nice, but in the meanwhile "mostly fanless" is actually just fine. Also remember that Apple only makes top-of-the-line laptops; if you buy a cheap Windows laptop: yeah, you're not getting an especially good laptop. But if you buy something in the same price range you often (not always) get something much more comparable.
burmanm 4y ago
Living in a bubble is always nice though. How many laptops are even used as laptops? Most of the world is not using Apple laptops and is not going to. The Facebook community around you might, but that's not the entire world. The "nobody" in your list still accounts for what, 90% of the laptop buyers? Even more? Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there.
- Shadonototra 4y ago
  > Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-first-year-than-any-other-game/ https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to project a little when you do some analysis, yesterday is long gone, tomorrow is what's going on And when say nobody, i talk about the people making a deliberate choice, in that group, rarer are the people choosing a windows laptop, other than the people replacing their IT fleets, or your granny picking a cheap laptop because she has no clue what an OS is anyways and everything is pre-installed with Windows, for some reasons ;)
  - burmanm 4y ago
    Games, yes, games. We're talking about laptops here, not mobile phones. PC gaming industry is huge and continues to be (even in the future iterations you talk about). When it comes to projections, the ~1300€ laptops are not going to be the ones taking over the world. Not in any realistic projection, unless the inflation goes to Turkey level. Every people makes deliberate choice, don't discount someone's choice not being deliberate just because it does not align to yours. I don't pick a laptop for my own self, but a desktop - since I don't need the mobility when I need grunt. There M2 brings me nothing so far. Your granny might make a more thoughtful choice than you do. She might buy a tool for herself while you're fancying over something shiny. That's not deliberate.
HideousKojima 4y ago
The highest estimates I've seen for Mac laptop market share are 15%, most places put it at 6-8%.
zamalek 4y ago
> fanless laptop See also: "how do you provide ever thinner laptops?" The reason you're so sensitive to fans is because Apple's attention to cooling goes far, far, beyond a joke. Modern processors will throttle at their maximum temperature (typically 100C for CPUs). Apple's approach has always been to depend on that as a cooling solution. People have improved the cooling on the M1 to something in the ballpark of the M1 Pro, and performance lifts to match. M1 has certainly thrown the whole compute-per-TDP equation into chaos, and you'll definitely see more performance prior to hitting tj-max, but when that comes, performance will come crashing down. They don't have fanless cooling, they essentially have no cooling. If your workloads don't require extended periods of compute, then the fanless Apples can't be beat. Claiming that the M1 beats x86 laptops across the board is, well, "very uninformed " to say it kindly. To say it frankly, fans of high-end devices (whether Windows or Linux) do get very noisy in the face of uninformed bullshit.
- paulmd 4y ago
  > If your workloads don't require extended periods of compute, then the fanless Apples can't be beat. Claiming that the M1 beats x86 laptops across the board is, well, "very uninformed " to say it kindly. OK, but Apple also makes the MBP line with active cooling too?
  - zamalek 4y ago
    Sure, but the parent comment was going on about fans. Edit: you also get insanely specced x86 laptops that have no business being laptops, so for the few who actually buy those monsters the parent comment is also laughable.
- ShadonototraCD 4y ago

refulgentis 4y ago

I agree, a fanless cool laptop is preferable over a loud fan and hot laptop

Quarrel 4y ago

> That is why nobody buys windows based laptops anymore and the macbook air is the best selling laptop A huge majority buy windows based laptops. Macbook Air's are the best selling laptop because of the fragmentation of the Windows laptop market amongst manufacturers. MacOS does not in any way make up a majority of laptops. I get that it is 2001 again and we should all be shitting on MS, but let's try and keep some facts in the conversation.

Shadonototra 4y ago
Incapable of attacking my argument about fanless/power efficiency, instead you nitpick on the sales > I get that it is 2001 again and we should all be shitting on MS, but let's try and keep some facts in the conversation. That's a windows 11 with snapdragon for you! fanless! ha
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  It's not a "nitpick" you made a specific claim. Not the person you're replying to but I'll reply: I think the M1 is really nice, although I don't care much for some other MacBook hardware design decisions and I don't care much for macOS either, so I didn't buy one, but I did spend some time considering it and looking at options. In the meanwhile, my current ThinkPad is "effectively fanless, most of the time". What this means is that as I'm typing this it doesn't need any fans. It doesn't most of the time, even when I'm programming and compile my project (incremental compiles) it doesn't need the fans, and it remains fairly cool as well. With full compiles or some (not even all) games it does need the fans, and that's okay with me. And this laptop is actually 4/5 years old; I got it "second-hand new". Newer ones are even better. Oh, and the battery also lasts about 15 hours on a full charge, which is not as good as a M1 machine, but "more than good enough" for me. So "full fanless" would certainly be nice, but in the meanwhile "mostly fanless" is actually just fine. Also remember that Apple only makes top-of-the-line laptops; if you buy a cheap Windows laptop: yeah, you're not getting an especially good laptop. But if you buy something in the same price range you often (not always) get something much more comparable.

burmanm 4y ago

Living in a bubble is always nice though. How many laptops are even used as laptops? Most of the world is not using Apple laptops and is not going to. The Facebook community around you might, but that's not the entire world. The "nobody" in your list still accounts for what, 90% of the laptop buyers? Even more? Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there.

Shadonototra 4y ago
> Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-first-year-than-any-other-game/ https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to project a little when you do some analysis, yesterday is long gone, tomorrow is what's going on And when say nobody, i talk about the people making a deliberate choice, in that group, rarer are the people choosing a windows laptop, other than the people replacing their IT fleets, or your granny picking a cheap laptop because she has no clue what an OS is anyways and everything is pre-installed with Windows, for some reasons ;)
- burmanm 4y ago
  Games, yes, games. We're talking about laptops here, not mobile phones. PC gaming industry is huge and continues to be (even in the future iterations you talk about). When it comes to projections, the ~1300€ laptops are not going to be the ones taking over the world. Not in any realistic projection, unless the inflation goes to Turkey level. Every people makes deliberate choice, don't discount someone's choice not being deliberate just because it does not align to yours. I don't pick a laptop for my own self, but a desktop - since I don't need the mobility when I need grunt. There M2 brings me nothing so far. Your granny might make a more thoughtful choice than you do. She might buy a tool for herself while you're fancying over something shiny. That's not deliberate.

HideousKojima 4y ago

The highest estimates I've seen for Mac laptop market share are 15%, most places put it at 6-8%.

zamalek 4y ago

> fanless laptop See also: "how do you provide ever thinner laptops?" The reason you're so sensitive to fans is because Apple's attention to cooling goes far, far, beyond a joke. Modern processors will throttle at their maximum temperature (typically 100C for CPUs). Apple's approach has always been to depend on that as a cooling solution. People have improved the cooling on the M1 to something in the ballpark of the M1 Pro, and performance lifts to match. M1 has certainly thrown the whole compute-per-TDP equation into chaos, and you'll definitely see more performance prior to hitting tj-max, but when that comes, performance will come crashing down. They don't have fanless cooling, they essentially have no cooling. If your workloads don't require extended periods of compute, then the fanless Apples can't be beat. Claiming that the M1 beats x86 laptops across the board is, well, "very uninformed " to say it kindly. To say it frankly, fans of high-end devices (whether Windows or Linux) do get very noisy in the face of uninformed bullshit.

paulmd 4y ago
> If your workloads don't require extended periods of compute, then the fanless Apples can't be beat. Claiming that the M1 beats x86 laptops across the board is, well, "very uninformed " to say it kindly. OK, but Apple also makes the MBP line with active cooling too?
- zamalek 4y ago
  Sure, but the parent comment was going on about fans. Edit: you also get insanely specced x86 laptops that have no business being laptops, so for the few who actually buy those monsters the parent comment is also laughable.
ShadonototraCD 4y ago