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Who cares what these companies want or what their business models are? Dumb business models are dumb and it’s not our job to consider their dumb business models

Who cares what these companies want or what their business models are? Dumb business models are dumb and it’s not our job to consider their dumb business models when making legislation. We wouldn’t even be having a discussion like this in a functioning democracy. But instead we’re discussing whether the big corporate bribery machine will get in the way of completely reasonable legislation.

elzbardico 4y ago
I do. I enjoy being able to buy a cheap console and don't give a flying fuck if I can't install linux on it
- parkingrift 4y ago
  Great. Have your cake and eat it, too. The market decides the price of goods, as always.
  - d1sxeyes 4y ago
    It already has, and companies have based business models on it, which has led to consoles being more affordable in exchange for restrictions on what you can do with it. It's hard to rely on the argument that 'the market decides the price of goods' if you would like to restrict what companies are allowed to offer for purchase.
TechSquidTV 4y ago
Because if the question is "Would I pay $200 more for an Xbox just to be able to install Linux on it", I think you will find the vast majority of consumers would respond with a resounding and an in-unison "hell no". If the manufacturer is selling at a loss, with the intention of making that money back through software, and that subsidy is removed, the majority of customers will see this as a loss.
bacchusracine 4y ago
>Who cares what these companies want or what their business models are? A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. You're not going to convince Congress critters to do something that can legitimately be argued to hurt businesses. So you tweak things to create a minmax situation where the businesses can not be said to be injured and we still gain access to abandoned hardware and are able to repurpose it. The key is to go in with carefully charged words. Abandoned hardware is a good one. So is recycling electronics to extend their usefulness. How can companies argue they're being hurt by competition from abandoned hardware that is just e-waste unless it is allowed to be recycled?
- samstave 4y ago
  I Too, chose this guy's dead legislation.
- whatshisface 4y ago
  >How can companies argue they're being hurt by competition from abandoned hardware that is just e-waste unless it is allowed to be recycled? By pointing out that the products they are currently selling could be replaced by the reanimated spirits of the products they sold last year. Labor performed without a transfer of money to go along with it is not counted in the GDP or taxed, in modern mercantilism it is better for $100 to circulate in a day to produce a little value than for $1 to circulate in a week to produce much more value.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > By pointing out that the products they are currently selling could be replaced by the reanimated spirits of the products they sold last year. They can say that, but it makes them look like assholes. So it's not effective for them to do that.
    - vineyardmike 4y ago
      > They can say that, but it makes them look like assholes. So it's not effective for them to do that Unfortunately, there a lot of assholes that only act like assholes behind closed doors with other assholes that tolerate them being assholes because they spend money out the asshole. /s But actually my point is that public PR team can't say that but Tim Cook giving Ted Cruz a quiet phone call can totally say that (off the record), probably followed up with "this would keep us from affording that new Texas factory/office/thing we were about to build with this money we make"
Angostura 4y ago
> Who cares what these companies want or what their business models are? The people who bought and got value from systems that otherwise wouldn't have been developed?

elzbardico 4y ago

I do. I enjoy being able to buy a cheap console and don't give a flying fuck if I can't install linux on it

parkingrift 4y ago
Great. Have your cake and eat it, too. The market decides the price of goods, as always.
- d1sxeyes 4y ago
  It already has, and companies have based business models on it, which has led to consoles being more affordable in exchange for restrictions on what you can do with it. It's hard to rely on the argument that 'the market decides the price of goods' if you would like to restrict what companies are allowed to offer for purchase.

TechSquidTV 4y ago

Because if the question is "Would I pay $200 more for an Xbox just to be able to install Linux on it", I think you will find the vast majority of consumers would respond with a resounding and an in-unison "hell no". If the manufacturer is selling at a loss, with the intention of making that money back through software, and that subsidy is removed, the majority of customers will see this as a loss.

bacchusracine 4y ago

>Who cares what these companies want or what their business models are? A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. You're not going to convince Congress critters to do something that can legitimately be argued to hurt businesses. So you tweak things to create a minmax situation where the businesses can not be said to be injured and we still gain access to abandoned hardware and are able to repurpose it. The key is to go in with carefully charged words. Abandoned hardware is a good one. So is recycling electronics to extend their usefulness. How can companies argue they're being hurt by competition from abandoned hardware that is just e-waste unless it is allowed to be recycled?

samstave 4y ago
I Too, chose this guy's dead legislation.
whatshisface 4y ago
>How can companies argue they're being hurt by competition from abandoned hardware that is just e-waste unless it is allowed to be recycled? By pointing out that the products they are currently selling could be replaced by the reanimated spirits of the products they sold last year. Labor performed without a transfer of money to go along with it is not counted in the GDP or taxed, in modern mercantilism it is better for $100 to circulate in a day to produce a little value than for $1 to circulate in a week to produce much more value.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > By pointing out that the products they are currently selling could be replaced by the reanimated spirits of the products they sold last year. They can say that, but it makes them look like assholes. So it's not effective for them to do that.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    > They can say that, but it makes them look like assholes. So it's not effective for them to do that Unfortunately, there a lot of assholes that only act like assholes behind closed doors with other assholes that tolerate them being assholes because they spend money out the asshole. /s But actually my point is that public PR team can't say that but Tim Cook giving Ted Cruz a quiet phone call can totally say that (off the record), probably followed up with "this would keep us from affording that new Texas factory/office/thing we were about to build with this money we make"

Angostura 4y ago

> Who cares what these companies want or what their business models are? The people who bought and got value from systems that otherwise wouldn't have been developed?