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> The thing is - is it necessary to have the best gear to enjoy the game? Yes, at least in those types of games. Gear improvement is a big part of the game pro

> The thing is - is it necessary to have the best gear to enjoy the game? Yes, at least in those types of games. Gear improvement is a big part of the game progression. Before microtransactions that just meant spending ungodly amounts of time in those games. Nowadays it means bankrupting yourself.

gambiting 4y ago
But it still doesn't answer my question - obviously you have gear progression without spending any money, just like there is in Genshin Impact. So at what point do you reach a point where you literally can't enjoy the game any more without spending any money? Because if it's 100h+ like for me in Genshin, then I don't think there's any problem for 99.999% of players. Yes the option to spend money and get crazy high gear is there for the wales, but is the game itself enjoyable even if you don't do this? Because I know as a fact that Genshin is. Would love to know if the same applies to Diablo.
- gryn 4y ago
  if doing the same exact rift over and over for weeks in order to unfreeze your game progress is something you find enjoyable then yes. but realistically I don't think there exist that much people who would enjoy this. oh and every 15 min or so you're spammed with a notification telling you take this one is lifetime opportunity to help if only for give them your credit card! if you don't hurry you'll miss out on this offer forever. I've played less than an hour of genshin so I can't compare it since I don't know much about it. but as someone who played other games where you might need to farm for better stuff, this is nothing like that.
  - matwood 4y ago
    > if doing the same exact rift over and over for weeks in order to unfreeze your game progress is something you find enjoyable then yes. but realistically I don't think there exist that much people who would enjoy this. It's been awhile since I played D3, but hasn't this been the model for years?
    - fernandotakai 4y ago
      i mean, that's d2 gameplay in a nutshell. i mean, cow farming, baal farming, diablo farming... if you played any diablo, you had to do the same content non stop to get better gear. and sometimes that means weeks of farming for a small upgrade.
BlueTemplar 4y ago
I disagree, the most enjoyable experience in Diablo 2 is probably during lvl 25-40 (/99), roughly corresponding to the acts 4 and 5 of the story of the first difficulty level and the 2nd difficulty level (out of 3).

gambiting 4y ago

But it still doesn't answer my question - obviously you have gear progression without spending any money, just like there is in Genshin Impact. So at what point do you reach a point where you literally can't enjoy the game any more without spending any money? Because if it's 100h+ like for me in Genshin, then I don't think there's any problem for 99.999% of players. Yes the option to spend money and get crazy high gear is there for the wales, but is the game itself enjoyable even if you don't do this? Because I know as a fact that Genshin is. Would love to know if the same applies to Diablo.

gryn 4y ago
if doing the same exact rift over and over for weeks in order to unfreeze your game progress is something you find enjoyable then yes. but realistically I don't think there exist that much people who would enjoy this. oh and every 15 min or so you're spammed with a notification telling you take this one is lifetime opportunity to help if only for give them your credit card! if you don't hurry you'll miss out on this offer forever. I've played less than an hour of genshin so I can't compare it since I don't know much about it. but as someone who played other games where you might need to farm for better stuff, this is nothing like that.
- matwood 4y ago
  > if doing the same exact rift over and over for weeks in order to unfreeze your game progress is something you find enjoyable then yes. but realistically I don't think there exist that much people who would enjoy this. It's been awhile since I played D3, but hasn't this been the model for years?
  - fernandotakai 4y ago
    i mean, that's d2 gameplay in a nutshell. i mean, cow farming, baal farming, diablo farming... if you played any diablo, you had to do the same content non stop to get better gear. and sometimes that means weeks of farming for a small upgrade.

BlueTemplar 4y ago

I disagree, the most enjoyable experience in Diablo 2 is probably during lvl 25-40 (/99), roughly corresponding to the acts 4 and 5 of the story of the first difficulty level and the 2nd difficulty level (out of 3).