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To me these little things are what turned me away from using the browser. Every time you install it somewhere you have to manually turn all the crypto ads off,
by Barrin92 4y ago
To me these little things are what turned me away from using the browser. Every time you install it somewhere you have to manually turn all the crypto ads off, it's the only thing that doesn't sync across devices.
These little nudges and 'growth hacks' if you will including that mailing campaign is exactly what I don't want in software that allegedly puts the user first. It doesn't seem like there is genuine innovation in Brave, they still rely on ads, and sending people physical spam in the mail or showing you 'privacy respecting' ones online obfuscated with a bunch of attention tokens doesn't really change anything.
- prepend 4y ago> including that mailing campaign is exactly what I don't want in software that allegedly puts the user first I don’t get what the issue is with the mailers. The names being present or not isn’t really important as they just bought distribution lists and mailed stuff to them. Whether they print the name or not, they know them. This seems pretty normal and reasonable for a “growth hack” and still preserved privacy.
- gruez 4y ago>The names being present or not isn’t really important as they just bought distribution lists and mailed stuff to them Based on my understanding they didn't even buy distribution lists. They just told USPS to deliver their ad to every house in a given zip code.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
- pgt 4y agoJunk mail affects my life.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
- discardable_dan 4y agoJunk mail has a massive ecological footprint.
- eli 4y agoCompared to crypto?
- saalweachter 4y agoBack of the envelope, they're roughly the same, CO2-wise.
- eli 4y agoI doubt that
- saalweachter 4y agoUS junk mail volume is something in the 6 million ton range, and paper production releases 3-10 pounds of CO2 / pound of paper, depending on whether it is virgin or recycled. (Regoogling that second figure returns some ranges as low as 1-2 lb/lb, which would put junk mail at like 0.2-0.4 crypto.)
- eli 4y agoYour co2 from crypto number seems low. Is that perhaps just bitcoin?
- saalweachter 4y agoPossibly but the error bars on all of the numbers I'm using are also large, and the age of the numbers matters as well. I find numbers for Bitcoin -- in the same window -- of 30-90 megatons of CO2, for Ethereum of 15-50 megatons, and the figures for junk mail range from 6 to 60 megatons. The error bars all overlap, so the closest I can do with the level of work I'm willing to put in is that junk mail might be a little bit more CO2 than cryptocurrency (or twice as much as Bitcoin), or like 5% of cryptocurrency at the other extreme.
- notahacker 4y agoThe tracking beacons the mailshot was sent to tell people they should be worried about don't even need throwing in the trash... Brave is using a USPS commercial mailshot service which openly encourages the use of personally identifiable information to target unsolicited marketing (name, age, income(!) and other demographic info) to promote the idea it respects privacy and opposes collecting data to run ad campaigns for third parties. That's not a great look, and explaining that actually this shouldn't have been a problem because (like the customers of Facebook, Google and most display ad networks) the service they're paying keeps the targeting data to itself is probably even worse.
- Amezarak 4y agoThe EDDM demographic filtering works on the postal route level. You aren't filtering by households with $X income, you're filtering by routes where the households have an average income of $X income. For what it's worth. [ED - also worth mentioning this is just using census data.] Similarly, you can't use the tool to send mail to 40 year olds, you can just see that the route you selected is 40% over age 40, or whatever.
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