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This is literally my only request from management. If you know I'm going to lose my job don't wait until my last day to tell me. Give me some time to set up oth

This is literally my only request from management. If you know I'm going to lose my job don't wait until my last day to tell me. Give me some time to set up other options.

scarface74 4y ago
You should always have other options. You shouldn’t wait until you’re about to be laid off. I can honestly say there isn’t a single day since 2008 (I’ve been working a lot longer) that if the company I was working for laid me off that I wouldn’t be prepared to look for another job the same day. That means an updated resume, career document of accomplishments and talking points, an active network and “fuck you money” in the bank. If you live in any major city in the US, and are a software developer with experience, you should be making in the upper quintile of income for your area. There is usually no excuse not to have savings.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  A developer in SF is not in the upper quintile.. they can't even afford a starter house. Big cities add huge costs that start making sense with home ownership but will leave a renter worse off. Good advice on the other points.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    The median household income in SF is $92K. https://sf.curbed.com/2019/2/25/18239828/report-middle-class-income-ranges-sf-bay-area-salary https://sf.curbed.com/2019/2/25/18239828/report-middle-class... The average software developer in SF makes more then twice that. https://www.builtinsf.com/salaries/dev-engineer/software-engineer/san-francisco https://www.builtinsf.com/salaries/dev-engineer/software-eng...
    - Hydraulix989 4y ago
      That just doesn't make any sense. You can't even rent an apartment for less than $3,000 in SF, let along think about buying the average $2M house. What is the discrepancy? Maybe these folks all ended up buying their houses 30 years ago?
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Yet somehow half the people seem to be surviving in SF making that and less.
        HFguy 4y ago
        The number doesn't jive for me either. You would have to go through how the median income number is formulated. It may not be how you think. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen this with broad statistics.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Just maybe in your bubble you think everyone is making a lot in SF? These are the numbers from the census bureau. It still says $119K https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocitycalifornia https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocitycalifornia Median isn’t some obscure statistic that’s hard to calculate.
    - staticman2 4y ago
      It's $119,136 not 92k: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocitycalifornia/INC910220 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocit... And that's of 2020 so out of date.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Yes because I’m sure two year old data is grossly out of date and the median income has gone up greatly enough so that a software engineer in SF is no longer in the top quintile.
bigmattystyles 4y ago
It’s so tough though - with large layoffs, you want to avoid revenge actions from people who are being let go. Immediate termination / cutoff of access is really the only way to do it. But I agree, it’s not humane. Don’t ever buy companies that talk about being a family. They want you to treat them like family but they will turn around and do what they deem necessary to self-preserve.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  This is how ie banking works. Nobody smart/experienced enough even pretends its about more than next paycheck. Sounds soulless, and for some it is, but there is no place for drama when the day comes. Being good hearted will eventually backfire - that one employee who feels its very unfair to him, with right access can do so much damage to already faltering company it can even bring it down. So its a precaution, because 1 (or 5) percent of people are vengeful assholes, and you often find out only when right buttons are pressed. Severance package is always generous, ie my bank gives in such case 1 salary for every year worked, on top of mandatory 3 ones mandated by Swiss laws.
- deckeraa 4y ago
  The best way for a company to handle layoffs in the case where immediate termination is needed for security reasons is for the company to pay 2-6 additional weeks of salary beyond the termination date -- that way the employee has time to find new work without having a sudden, unexpected gap in income.
- cortesoft 4y ago
  If you think your employees will take revenge action after being let go, you need to do a lot better job at hiring people. I can't imagine many professionals would do something damaging to their employer on the way out. Facing legal troubles right when you are looking for a new job seems very shortsighted. Also, if you treat the people you are letting go as humans, they will be less likely to retaliate. Ironically, trying to prevent retaliation by treating them like they will retaliate is more likely to cause them to do so.
  - 4y ago
lupire 4y ago
That's what a severance package is. Good companies pay severance and don't make you come into work.

This is literally my only request from management. If you know I'm going to lose my job don't wait until my last day to tell me. Give me some time to set up other options.

scarface74 4y ago

You should always have other options. You shouldn’t wait until you’re about to be laid off. I can honestly say there isn’t a single day since 2008 (I’ve been working a lot longer) that if the company I was working for laid me off that I wouldn’t be prepared to look for another job the same day. That means an updated resume, career document of accomplishments and talking points, an active network and “fuck you money” in the bank. If you live in any major city in the US, and are a software developer with experience, you should be making in the upper quintile of income for your area. There is usually no excuse not to have savings.

ipaddr 4y ago
A developer in SF is not in the upper quintile.. they can't even afford a starter house. Big cities add huge costs that start making sense with home ownership but will leave a renter worse off. Good advice on the other points.
- scarface74 4y ago
  The median household income in SF is $92K. https://sf.curbed.com/2019/2/25/18239828/report-middle-class-income-ranges-sf-bay-area-salary https://sf.curbed.com/2019/2/25/18239828/report-middle-class... The average software developer in SF makes more then twice that. https://www.builtinsf.com/salaries/dev-engineer/software-engineer/san-francisco https://www.builtinsf.com/salaries/dev-engineer/software-eng...
  - Hydraulix989 4y ago
    That just doesn't make any sense. You can't even rent an apartment for less than $3,000 in SF, let along think about buying the average $2M house. What is the discrepancy? Maybe these folks all ended up buying their houses 30 years ago?
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Yet somehow half the people seem to be surviving in SF making that and less.
      - HFguy 4y ago
        The number doesn't jive for me either. You would have to go through how the median income number is formulated. It may not be how you think. I can't tell you the number of times I've seen this with broad statistics.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Just maybe in your bubble you think everyone is making a lot in SF? These are the numbers from the census bureau. It still says $119K https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocitycalifornia https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocitycalifornia Median isn’t some obscure statistic that’s hard to calculate.
  - staticman2 4y ago
    It's $119,136 not 92k: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocitycalifornia/INC910220 https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanfranciscocit... And that's of 2020 so out of date.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Yes because I’m sure two year old data is grossly out of date and the median income has gone up greatly enough so that a software engineer in SF is no longer in the top quintile.

bigmattystyles 4y ago

It’s so tough though - with large layoffs, you want to avoid revenge actions from people who are being let go. Immediate termination / cutoff of access is really the only way to do it. But I agree, it’s not humane. Don’t ever buy companies that talk about being a family. They want you to treat them like family but they will turn around and do what they deem necessary to self-preserve.

saiya-jin 4y ago
This is how ie banking works. Nobody smart/experienced enough even pretends its about more than next paycheck. Sounds soulless, and for some it is, but there is no place for drama when the day comes. Being good hearted will eventually backfire - that one employee who feels its very unfair to him, with right access can do so much damage to already faltering company it can even bring it down. So its a precaution, because 1 (or 5) percent of people are vengeful assholes, and you often find out only when right buttons are pressed. Severance package is always generous, ie my bank gives in such case 1 salary for every year worked, on top of mandatory 3 ones mandated by Swiss laws.
deckeraa 4y ago
The best way for a company to handle layoffs in the case where immediate termination is needed for security reasons is for the company to pay 2-6 additional weeks of salary beyond the termination date -- that way the employee has time to find new work without having a sudden, unexpected gap in income.
cortesoft 4y ago
If you think your employees will take revenge action after being let go, you need to do a lot better job at hiring people. I can't imagine many professionals would do something damaging to their employer on the way out. Facing legal troubles right when you are looking for a new job seems very shortsighted. Also, if you treat the people you are letting go as humans, they will be less likely to retaliate. Ironically, trying to prevent retaliation by treating them like they will retaliate is more likely to cause them to do so.
- 4y ago

lupire 4y ago

That's what a severance package is. Good companies pay severance and don't make you come into work.