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Yeah you could haha I think the majority of the public wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked.

by binz120 4y ago

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
Really? What if it includes alcohol sales? Do you want the state to know how much alcohol you consume?
- SnowHill9902 4y ago
  You can’t buy alcohol at the supermarket in Norway.
  - samstave 4y ago
    "How many villages does a Man need to Pillage to get a drink in this place?!"
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - m-s 4y ago
    Yes, you can. But only drinks with up to 4.7% abv
  - Tor3 4y ago
    You can buy alcohol at the supermarket in Norway, it's just that it's limited to alcohol of 4.5%vol. or lower (i.e. the supermarkets sell beer and alcohol cider and the like).
    - charlieyu1 4y ago
      4.5%, no thanks. Easier to get water intoxication than feel anything about alcohol.
- gyaru 4y ago
  The state owns the only alcohol store.
  - Tor3 4y ago
    See my comment above - you can buy beer elsewhere, unless it's stronger than the typical lager.
    - jerzyt 4y ago
      And what will stop them from monitoring the alcohol sales?
      - Tor3 4y ago
        I replied to the statement "The state owns the only alcohol store." - the only text in the comment I replied to. And as it's factually wrong, I replied with a comment stating just that. There was nothing about monitoring in the comment I replied to, nor in my reply. As for monitoring - as said elsewhere, if monitoring of supermarket sales will happen or not depends not only on what that particular office wants (SSB - central statistics bureau), but what politicians decide on. And, despite many comments here believing otherwise, it is actually quite common for Norwegian politicians to listen to massive resistance from the people, particularly when the reasoning behind the whole suggestion is quite questionable, as in this case. In any case, whether alcohol is sold here or there it wouldn't make any difference to the monitoring. And cash is still legal tender in Norway, even if there are some that don't like that fact. As for myself I believe only Mastercard really know how much money I use on wine. I don't think they know my preferences though (Italian, as it were)
  - neither_color 4y ago
    Sounds like Virginia. A lot of states have a similar system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_sta...
  - ekianjo 4y ago
    > The state owns the only alcohol store. How do they feel about being responsible of delivering poison to people then? Somehow I can rationalize it if it's a transaction between private parties, but if the government acts as the drug dealer it's no better than a cartel.
- admash 4y ago
  In case you were unaware, all liquor stores in Norway are run by the government — “vinmonopolet” as they are called. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    That misses the point.
marcc 4y ago
Sarcasm? I think most people should care about this.
- binz120 4y ago
  Yes. They start with food and then god knows what else they will track. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
- Zigurd 4y ago
  What do you think happens to online food delivery orders? That all gets sold to data brokers.
- convolvatron 4y ago
  because I used the same credit card at Whole Foods as linked to my amazon account my last shopping trip there showed up in 'recently purchased' and 'suggestions'. are we upset because the Norwegian government is getting the same information that Amazon is clearly mining?
  - rglullis 4y ago
    You don't pay taxes (yet?) to Amazon.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      They pay profit instead. What's it matter though?
      - rglullis 4y ago
        The ability to collect taxes was shorthand for "the right to use force to compel you to do things as they see fit". Amazon can not compel you to buy from them, and Amazon can not throw you in jail if they don't like you as a customer. Mining personal data and using it against the interests of the individual is bad in both cases, but it is far more dangerous when done by the State.
nine_k 4y ago
This assumes that the scope of tracking is somehow naturally limited to grocery, and can't extend. Also, the technically easiest way to track grocery purchases can be by tracking all purchases, and then filtering out the non-grocery. Let's generalize the question: what makes you uncomfortable about the government tracking all your (non-cash) purchases? They already know your income for tax purposes, and much of your large purchases, also for tax purposes. And if you need a pinch of stuff that's illegal, you're not going to swipe your debit card anyway. I suppose a court order will show all your bank operations history, should the government need it for lawful purposes. So, if there's still anything left to preserve, we need to clearly articulated first, what that is.
digitallyfree 4y ago
I feel it's similar to people "not caring" about corporate tracking (e.g. browser tracking, or cell phone companies selling location data) - i.e. by turning a blind eye to it as long as their services work and so on. They accept it as the norm and do not push back against these measures. They know that it's happening and don't like it, like how they won't like the Norweigan government's decision. But they'll likely put up little resistance and move on to other things.
ekianjo 4y ago
> wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked You dont buy only food in supermarkets these days.
reaperducer 4y ago
the majority of the public wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked. Citizen #83238201: You have exceeded your yearly purchasing quota for condoms and thrush medication. Please report to your nearest moral re-education camp.

Yeah you could haha I think the majority of the public wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

Really? What if it includes alcohol sales? Do you want the state to know how much alcohol you consume?

SnowHill9902 4y ago
You can’t buy alcohol at the supermarket in Norway.
- samstave 4y ago
  "How many villages does a Man need to Pillage to get a drink in this place?!"
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- m-s 4y ago
  Yes, you can. But only drinks with up to 4.7% abv
- Tor3 4y ago
  You can buy alcohol at the supermarket in Norway, it's just that it's limited to alcohol of 4.5%vol. or lower (i.e. the supermarkets sell beer and alcohol cider and the like).
  - charlieyu1 4y ago
    4.5%, no thanks. Easier to get water intoxication than feel anything about alcohol.
gyaru 4y ago
The state owns the only alcohol store.
- Tor3 4y ago
  See my comment above - you can buy beer elsewhere, unless it's stronger than the typical lager.
  - jerzyt 4y ago
    And what will stop them from monitoring the alcohol sales?
    - Tor3 4y ago
      I replied to the statement "The state owns the only alcohol store." - the only text in the comment I replied to. And as it's factually wrong, I replied with a comment stating just that. There was nothing about monitoring in the comment I replied to, nor in my reply. As for monitoring - as said elsewhere, if monitoring of supermarket sales will happen or not depends not only on what that particular office wants (SSB - central statistics bureau), but what politicians decide on. And, despite many comments here believing otherwise, it is actually quite common for Norwegian politicians to listen to massive resistance from the people, particularly when the reasoning behind the whole suggestion is quite questionable, as in this case. In any case, whether alcohol is sold here or there it wouldn't make any difference to the monitoring. And cash is still legal tender in Norway, even if there are some that don't like that fact. As for myself I believe only Mastercard really know how much money I use on wine. I don't think they know my preferences though (Italian, as it were)
- neither_color 4y ago
  Sounds like Virginia. A lot of states have a similar system in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_sta...
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > The state owns the only alcohol store. How do they feel about being responsible of delivering poison to people then? Somehow I can rationalize it if it's a transaction between private parties, but if the government acts as the drug dealer it's no better than a cartel.
admash 4y ago
In case you were unaware, all liquor stores in Norway are run by the government — “vinmonopolet” as they are called. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  That misses the point.

marcc 4y ago

Sarcasm? I think most people should care about this.

binz120 4y ago
Yes. They start with food and then god knows what else they will track. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
Zigurd 4y ago
What do you think happens to online food delivery orders? That all gets sold to data brokers.
convolvatron 4y ago
because I used the same credit card at Whole Foods as linked to my amazon account my last shopping trip there showed up in 'recently purchased' and 'suggestions'. are we upset because the Norwegian government is getting the same information that Amazon is clearly mining?
- rglullis 4y ago
  You don't pay taxes (yet?) to Amazon.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    They pay profit instead. What's it matter though?
    - rglullis 4y ago
      The ability to collect taxes was shorthand for "the right to use force to compel you to do things as they see fit". Amazon can not compel you to buy from them, and Amazon can not throw you in jail if they don't like you as a customer. Mining personal data and using it against the interests of the individual is bad in both cases, but it is far more dangerous when done by the State.

nine_k 4y ago

This assumes that the scope of tracking is somehow naturally limited to grocery, and can't extend. Also, the technically easiest way to track grocery purchases can be by tracking all purchases, and then filtering out the non-grocery. Let's generalize the question: what makes you uncomfortable about the government tracking all your (non-cash) purchases? They already know your income for tax purposes, and much of your large purchases, also for tax purposes. And if you need a pinch of stuff that's illegal, you're not going to swipe your debit card anyway. I suppose a court order will show all your bank operations history, should the government need it for lawful purposes. So, if there's still anything left to preserve, we need to clearly articulated first, what that is.

digitallyfree 4y ago

I feel it's similar to people "not caring" about corporate tracking (e.g. browser tracking, or cell phone companies selling location data) - i.e. by turning a blind eye to it as long as their services work and so on. They accept it as the norm and do not push back against these measures. They know that it's happening and don't like it, like how they won't like the Norweigan government's decision. But they'll likely put up little resistance and move on to other things.

ekianjo 4y ago

> wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked You dont buy only food in supermarkets these days.

reaperducer 4y ago

the majority of the public wouldn't care about their food purchases being tracked. Citizen #83238201: You have exceeded your yearly purchasing quota for condoms and thrush medication. Please report to your nearest moral re-education camp.