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...and how is it we americans accept low/minority caste indians ( i am guessing we are talking about citizens from India as opposed to indigenous)? I am in tech

...and how is it we americans accept low/minority caste indians ( i am guessing we are talking about citizens from India as opposed to indigenous)? I am in tech on the west coast and wouldnt know the difference. From my perspective Indian migrants from india are indian. I know no castes. This is subjugation they have brought with them and I am not privy or party to. I also have no ability to fight or side with it since I DO NOT see it ... cuz I have no idea. I think to side with your point ... the vocal extremists have the mic.

baruch 4y ago
From what I read so far the discrimination is not wasps but rather by other Indians. So no one is saying you are discriminating one care or another but that such discrimination exists even if you don't see it.
- thghtihadanacct 4y ago
  I hear ya ... and I am not excusing it since im blinded and immune to it. I am saying tho, that it also isnt enforced here anymore than sharia law or the jewish or other hindu/religious law. It will never hold up in court. I feel strongly (im always open to being wrong) that part of coming here (USoA) is freeing yourself of those burdens (we got our own problems that you gotta deal with now). I dont burden myself with that knowledge as I find it useless. If someone drags it here with them they need to understand its their baggage.
  - baruch 4y ago
    I have no beef in this, I'm not living in the US and not Indian or south Asian. The thing that is the issue, again from the little I read, is that such discrimination is brought by other Indians on the Dalit and it's most defyingly bit something they want imported. I didn't figure or yet what is wanted and how but it's not like this is sintering you can blame them for.
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  - kelnos 4y ago
    I feel like you're making comparisons that aren't really apt. Attempting to enforce sharia law in the US in some communities is quite a bit different (and more difficult) than quiet, difficult-to-prove workplace discrimination. > If someone drags it here with them they need to understand its their baggage. If you're a low-caste Indian working in the US, and your high-caste boss discriminates against you, I think you'd feel pretty pissed at someone trying to claim that you're dragging your baggage with you. It's the high-caste boss that's doing the dragging.
  - quantified 4y ago
    Well, that is the point of the talk and the resignation, it is their baggage.
  - orwin 4y ago
    I've heard of caste discrimination during my second internship (in Europe, not in the US), so quite early in my career, from a "Yada"(??? Correction would be welcome here), concerning another collegue who came from a lower caste and how he was "lucky" not to be in the US or working with a "Bramin" or another elitist caste.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      Probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav
kelnos 4y ago
That's... kinda a irrelevant, though? I don't "see" caste either (I have a close Indian friend who has educated me on the topic, but I don't know the details well enough to, say, identify someone's caste by how they look or by their last name), but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist among the people who perpetuate its evils. Something like 90% of the Indian immigrants in the US are high-caste (big surprise, lower-caste Indians are less likely to be able to get work visas and travel), so of course this is a minority problem. Certainly not all of that 90% wants to perpetuate the caste system here, but I expect it's not easy to be vocal about it. Doesn't make it any less worthy of investigation, though.
- rajup 4y ago
  > Something like 90% of the Indian immigrants in the US are high-caste (big surprise, lower-caste Indians are less likely to be able to get work visas and travel), so of course this is a minority problem. Why do you think this is the case despite one of the most active affirmation programs in the world (just search "Reservation in India" on Wikipedia)? Something like 50-60% of seats in colleges and jobs in the government are reserved for lower castes (not a typo, the Wikipedia page should link you to official Indian constitution websites). I am from India and I genuinely don't know the answer myself.
  - pcthrowaway 4y ago
    I'd imagine it's due to a systemic disadvantage. Even if there are programs in place today to attempt to bring equity to the situation, the past and inherited poverty shape us and influence the opportunities we might have.
    - rajup 4y ago
      Systemic? I just pointed out the rights and privileges guaranteed lower castes in the Indian constitution. How much more un-systemic does it get? The past and inherited poverty: for how long? It’s been 70+ years since India’s independence…

baruch 4y ago

From what I read so far the discrimination is not wasps but rather by other Indians. So no one is saying you are discriminating one care or another but that such discrimination exists even if you don't see it.

thghtihadanacct 4y ago
I hear ya ... and I am not excusing it since im blinded and immune to it. I am saying tho, that it also isnt enforced here anymore than sharia law or the jewish or other hindu/religious law. It will never hold up in court. I feel strongly (im always open to being wrong) that part of coming here (USoA) is freeing yourself of those burdens (we got our own problems that you gotta deal with now). I dont burden myself with that knowledge as I find it useless. If someone drags it here with them they need to understand its their baggage.
- baruch 4y ago
  I have no beef in this, I'm not living in the US and not Indian or south Asian. The thing that is the issue, again from the little I read, is that such discrimination is brought by other Indians on the Dalit and it's most defyingly bit something they want imported. I didn't figure or yet what is wanted and how but it's not like this is sintering you can blame them for.
- deleted 4y ago
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- kelnos 4y ago
  I feel like you're making comparisons that aren't really apt. Attempting to enforce sharia law in the US in some communities is quite a bit different (and more difficult) than quiet, difficult-to-prove workplace discrimination. > If someone drags it here with them they need to understand its their baggage. If you're a low-caste Indian working in the US, and your high-caste boss discriminates against you, I think you'd feel pretty pissed at someone trying to claim that you're dragging your baggage with you. It's the high-caste boss that's doing the dragging.
- quantified 4y ago
  Well, that is the point of the talk and the resignation, it is their baggage.
- orwin 4y ago
  I've heard of caste discrimination during my second internship (in Europe, not in the US), so quite early in my career, from a "Yada"(??? Correction would be welcome here), concerning another collegue who came from a lower caste and how he was "lucky" not to be in the US or working with a "Bramin" or another elitist caste.
  - belltaco 4y ago
    Probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav

kelnos 4y ago

That's... kinda a irrelevant, though? I don't "see" caste either (I have a close Indian friend who has educated me on the topic, but I don't know the details well enough to, say, identify someone's caste by how they look or by their last name), but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist among the people who perpetuate its evils. Something like 90% of the Indian immigrants in the US are high-caste (big surprise, lower-caste Indians are less likely to be able to get work visas and travel), so of course this is a minority problem. Certainly not all of that 90% wants to perpetuate the caste system here, but I expect it's not easy to be vocal about it. Doesn't make it any less worthy of investigation, though.

rajup 4y ago
> Something like 90% of the Indian immigrants in the US are high-caste (big surprise, lower-caste Indians are less likely to be able to get work visas and travel), so of course this is a minority problem. Why do you think this is the case despite one of the most active affirmation programs in the world (just search "Reservation in India" on Wikipedia)? Something like 50-60% of seats in colleges and jobs in the government are reserved for lower castes (not a typo, the Wikipedia page should link you to official Indian constitution websites). I am from India and I genuinely don't know the answer myself.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  I'd imagine it's due to a systemic disadvantage. Even if there are programs in place today to attempt to bring equity to the situation, the past and inherited poverty shape us and influence the opportunities we might have.
  - rajup 4y ago
    Systemic? I just pointed out the rights and privileges guaranteed lower castes in the Indian constitution. How much more un-systemic does it get? The past and inherited poverty: for how long? It’s been 70+ years since India’s independence…