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A bit ironic when your default search engine is Google, leading users to the dragon mouth by default. Also when most if not all telemetry from mozilla firefox

A bit ironic when your default search engine is Google, leading users to the dragon mouth by default. Also when most if not all telemetry from mozilla firefox is opt out. Including stuff like phoning home by default when you search, bookmarking something, delete anything from your history[1] and having a unique download token to track each install.[2] [1] https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html [2] https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-...

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
>https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-... that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me at this point, I'd prefer chromium singularity to this circus. there's no difference. at least that would be one less browser to support
- hackernewds 4y ago
  Chromium is open source but also principally developed and maintained by Google
Schinken_ 4y ago
This, from what I gathered the Librewolf fork is way better at this: https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
- LeoPanthera 4y ago
  Interesting counter-example though. The aggressive default settings of LibreWolf do break quite a few websites.
  - sundarurfriend 4y ago
    I hear this often in threads about LibreWolf. I've never experienced in my (somewhat limited) use of LibreWolf, could you give any examples of breakages you've experienced?
  - usrn 4y ago
    At this point if the defaults don't break things they're probably no good.
- 0daystock 4y ago
  Interesting project. But who are ohfp, stanzabird, fxbrit and all these other anonymous maintainers, and more importantly, why should I trust them to build my browser?
bloppe 4y ago
Mozilla gets the majority of their revenue from Google paying them to keep their search engine as the default. I'm OK with this: the search engine is visible every time you use it, so it's impossible to "forget" to change it if you care about privacy, and the setting is relatively easy to find and change. Also, without this funding, Firefox would likely not exist. It's the price we pay for a good, free browser. Of course, many have postulated that Google's motivation to pay Mozilla all that money is actually to ensure that Mozilla remains in business, rather than to directly increase Google's own revenue with the added search traffic. By keeping Mozilla in business, Google can more convincingly argue that they do not have a monopoly on browsers. It may be the case that without this argument, Chrome could be subject to regulations that could benefit consumer privacy, but after watching all the recent congressional hearings involving big tech companies, I have very little faith in that happening any time soon. It's better to keep Mozilla around for now, and the only way to do that without turning Mozilla into another Google is for Google to essentially subsidize them.
- Melatonic 4y ago
  I think it is pretty well accepted that they fund Firefox just to avoid being a monopoly with Chrome. The other stuff is just icing on the cake
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    Then why do they pay Apple far more money for the same service?
    - MathMonkeyMan 4y ago
      I suspect there are far more iPhone Safari users than firefox users overall.
      - boomboomsubban 4y ago
        Well yeah, that's why Apple gets a much bigger check. But they still buy the same thing on Safari where it's hard to claim it's for an eventual antitrust case.
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throwaway0x7E6 4y ago

>https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-... that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me at this point, I'd prefer chromium singularity to this circus. there's no difference. at least that would be one less browser to support

hackernewds 4y ago
Chromium is open source but also principally developed and maintained by Google

Schinken_ 4y ago

This, from what I gathered the Librewolf fork is way better at this: https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/

LeoPanthera 4y ago
Interesting counter-example though. The aggressive default settings of LibreWolf do break quite a few websites.
- sundarurfriend 4y ago
  I hear this often in threads about LibreWolf. I've never experienced in my (somewhat limited) use of LibreWolf, could you give any examples of breakages you've experienced?
- usrn 4y ago
  At this point if the defaults don't break things they're probably no good.
0daystock 4y ago
Interesting project. But who are ohfp, stanzabird, fxbrit and all these other anonymous maintainers, and more importantly, why should I trust them to build my browser?

bloppe 4y ago

Mozilla gets the majority of their revenue from Google paying them to keep their search engine as the default. I'm OK with this: the search engine is visible every time you use it, so it's impossible to "forget" to change it if you care about privacy, and the setting is relatively easy to find and change. Also, without this funding, Firefox would likely not exist. It's the price we pay for a good, free browser. Of course, many have postulated that Google's motivation to pay Mozilla all that money is actually to ensure that Mozilla remains in business, rather than to directly increase Google's own revenue with the added search traffic. By keeping Mozilla in business, Google can more convincingly argue that they do not have a monopoly on browsers. It may be the case that without this argument, Chrome could be subject to regulations that could benefit consumer privacy, but after watching all the recent congressional hearings involving big tech companies, I have very little faith in that happening any time soon. It's better to keep Mozilla around for now, and the only way to do that without turning Mozilla into another Google is for Google to essentially subsidize them.

Melatonic 4y ago
I think it is pretty well accepted that they fund Firefox just to avoid being a monopoly with Chrome. The other stuff is just icing on the cake
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  Then why do they pay Apple far more money for the same service?
  - MathMonkeyMan 4y ago
    I suspect there are far more iPhone Safari users than firefox users overall.
    - boomboomsubban 4y ago
      Well yeah, that's why Apple gets a much bigger check. But they still buy the same thing on Safari where it's hard to claim it's for an eventual antitrust case.

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