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I started assuming this after Musk called that cave exploration expert in Thailand a pedophile.

daniel-cussen 4y ago
Hey after all that activity on Twitter you gotta give him leeway at some point, just like a cop who's been in a thousand conflicts gets a pass when things go wrong, there has to be a margin of error.
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  I'm hoping this was sarcasm.
  - daniel-cussen 4y ago
    Like you're in any position to chide me? It's a common South African insult, in fact I've heard classmates say it to one another in early high school for dating girls in late middle school. It's a word, people sometimes say it. There's a context. It wasn't a formal accusation. One in thousands of comments, you actually expect perfection from Musk and police? Let me tell you as someone who has pulled off exactly that in 28 conflicts, as if they were 28 chess matches, I haven't fucked up this whole time. It's fucking impossible in the long term. Narrowest odds imaginable. That's not fucking up at all, much harder than merely winning 28 times in a row, which is already staggering. You have to let us fuck up sometimes, let it go. Someday I'll fuck up. Especially due to manipulation eg a racketeer as a last resort, when arrest was imminent, angled his back to get injured by police, in order to get a lighter sentence by countering the guilt of crime with an accusation of police brutality (SFPD police didn't fall for it, not even close). The bad guys want us to fuck up, it's not easy to foil them every single time. Saying this is possible implies strict inferiority on the part of the bad guys. And if you expect perfection from the police, you ought to tell them that next time you call them to come vindicate you. So they know you might yourself accuse them of brutalizing your victimizer.
    - dragon-hn 4y ago
      Respectfully, what in the world are you talking about?
      - daniel-cussen 4y ago
        Elon Musk spoke in public. I interceded in crimes. Police fight crime. “It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” -- Theodore Roosevelt
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      Musk called the hero that helped save children's lives a pedophile on three separate occasions in front of his audience of millions. This wasn't a one-time mistake, it was a deliberate public smear campaign against the man.
    - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
      Like you're in any position to chide me? Obviously.
YinglingLight 4y ago
When was this? There is a big difference between Elon Musk pre and post-March 2018. For reasons that would take weeks to explain.
- tristanMatthias 4y ago
  Curious, what’s the TLDR on this? Or some resources to learn more?
  - deelowe 4y ago
    Some kids got trapped in a cave in Thailand. Elon said Tesla would build a small submarine to get them out. A local cave expert who was advising the Thai government on how to handle the rescue operation said the Tesla idea was a pipedream and suggested a more practical solution. He called the Tesla proposal a "PR Stunt." Elon got upset and started bad mouthing the guy on twitter, eventually calling him a pedophile. Elon's rationale seemed to be that because the guy was an older, white male living in Thailand, he must be into pedophilia... The guy sued for defamation and Elon ended up winning because his defense argued Elon didn't really mean it. I'm serious... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
- mdasen 4y ago
  It looks like it was July 15, 2018. https://www.foxnews.com/tech/elon-musk-calls-diver-who-helped-save-thailand-boys-a-pedo-for-slamming-his-rescue-idea https://www.foxnews.com/tech/elon-musk-calls-diver-who-helpe... If there's a big difference pre/post-March 2018, it would be nice if you could point people in a direction.
  - YinglingLight 4y ago
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- smiddereens 4y ago
stickfigure 4y ago
Of all the things to complain about Musk, this seems like the weakest. Some dude started a twitter fight with Musk and got called a "pedo guy" in response. Sounds like a South African response to me. I'm guessing you've never spent time with Australians, they call everyone cunts. Who cares? Potty mouth is not a mortal sin.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  > I'm guessing you've never spent time with Australians, they call everyone cunts. Who cares? Being called a cunt by some jackass Australian and being called a pedophile by a wealthy influential individual are probably going to have wildly different effects on your life and how people see you. being a cunt alone is not a serious offense that ruins the lives of everyone involved.
- kentm 4y ago
  Maybe you missed the part where Musk hired a private investigator to prove that the guy was a pedophile. The investigator lied about the evidence, and Musk did no due diligence but directed his PR team to leak those lies to the media, and then threw a hissy fit when the media didn't reprint those lies uncritically. The whole "pedo guy is just a generic insult" is a laughable lie that Musk tried to float in court. The evidence is that Musk tried to ruin a guy because he had the audacity to call out his publicity stunt when directly asked during an interview. You need to stop defending Musk on this because what he did was incredibly dick-headed and vindictive.
  - stickfigure 4y ago
    The investigator lying about evidence is news to me, but hiring an investigator when someone sues you seems perfectly fair game? I mean, if you sued me over something frivolous and I had the resources for it, I'd tear your life apart too. Exchanging insults on twitter is one thing, filing lawsuits is something completely different. Nobody comes across looking pretty here, sure. But it's a real struggle to care one way or another about it. Sounds like that's exactly what the jury thought.
karmakurtisaani 4y ago
After that comment I decided never to buy a Tesla if I can afford one. Good car, scumbag CEO.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  Haven't the alternatives caught up to them, anyway? Most of the EV coverage I see nowadays is for cars made by traditional manufacturers, and are always saying that they match teslas (or are big improvements, such as the f150 lightning)
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    I'm really hoping someone creates a viable alternative to the Roadster 2.0
    - olyjohn 4y ago
      There's plenty of alternative vaporware cars out there that will also never hit production.
      - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
        I'm not convinced it's vaporware. Behind schedule? Absolutely. But Elon has always been shitty about time estimates. Same with Cybertruck and the Semi. They will come out eventually. It might be another 2-4 years, but they will happen. I even think full self driving will eventually be achieved. It might be another 10 years, but we'll get there.
sylens 4y ago
Yup, this was my jumping off point as well

Hey after all that activity on Twitter you gotta give him leeway at some point, just like a cop who's been in a thousand conflicts gets a pass when things go wrong, there has to be a margin of error.

Broken_Hippo 4y ago
I'm hoping this was sarcasm.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Like you're in any position to chide me? It's a common South African insult, in fact I've heard classmates say it to one another in early high school for dating girls in late middle school. It's a word, people sometimes say it. There's a context. It wasn't a formal accusation. One in thousands of comments, you actually expect perfection from Musk and police? Let me tell you as someone who has pulled off exactly that in 28 conflicts, as if they were 28 chess matches, I haven't fucked up this whole time. It's fucking impossible in the long term. Narrowest odds imaginable. That's not fucking up at all, much harder than merely winning 28 times in a row, which is already staggering. You have to let us fuck up sometimes, let it go. Someday I'll fuck up. Especially due to manipulation eg a racketeer as a last resort, when arrest was imminent, angled his back to get injured by police, in order to get a lighter sentence by countering the guilt of crime with an accusation of police brutality (SFPD police didn't fall for it, not even close). The bad guys want us to fuck up, it's not easy to foil them every single time. Saying this is possible implies strict inferiority on the part of the bad guys. And if you expect perfection from the police, you ought to tell them that next time you call them to come vindicate you. So they know you might yourself accuse them of brutalizing your victimizer.
  - dragon-hn 4y ago
    Respectfully, what in the world are you talking about?
    - daniel-cussen 4y ago
      Elon Musk spoke in public. I interceded in crimes. Police fight crime. “It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” -- Theodore Roosevelt
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    Musk called the hero that helped save children's lives a pedophile on three separate occasions in front of his audience of millions. This wasn't a one-time mistake, it was a deliberate public smear campaign against the man.
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    Like you're in any position to chide me? Obviously.

YinglingLight 4y ago

When was this? There is a big difference between Elon Musk pre and post-March 2018. For reasons that would take weeks to explain.

tristanMatthias 4y ago
Curious, what’s the TLDR on this? Or some resources to learn more?
- deelowe 4y ago
  Some kids got trapped in a cave in Thailand. Elon said Tesla would build a small submarine to get them out. A local cave expert who was advising the Thai government on how to handle the rescue operation said the Tesla idea was a pipedream and suggested a more practical solution. He called the Tesla proposal a "PR Stunt." Elon got upset and started bad mouthing the guy on twitter, eventually calling him a pedophile. Elon's rationale seemed to be that because the guy was an older, white male living in Thailand, he must be into pedophilia... The guy sued for defamation and Elon ended up winning because his defense argued Elon didn't really mean it. I'm serious... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50695593
mdasen 4y ago
It looks like it was July 15, 2018. https://www.foxnews.com/tech/elon-musk-calls-diver-who-helped-save-thailand-boys-a-pedo-for-slamming-his-rescue-idea https://www.foxnews.com/tech/elon-musk-calls-diver-who-helpe... If there's a big difference pre/post-March 2018, it would be nice if you could point people in a direction.
- YinglingLight 4y ago
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smiddereens 4y ago

stickfigure 4y ago

Of all the things to complain about Musk, this seems like the weakest. Some dude started a twitter fight with Musk and got called a "pedo guy" in response. Sounds like a South African response to me. I'm guessing you've never spent time with Australians, they call everyone cunts. Who cares? Potty mouth is not a mortal sin.

the_only_law 4y ago
> I'm guessing you've never spent time with Australians, they call everyone cunts. Who cares? Being called a cunt by some jackass Australian and being called a pedophile by a wealthy influential individual are probably going to have wildly different effects on your life and how people see you. being a cunt alone is not a serious offense that ruins the lives of everyone involved.
kentm 4y ago
Maybe you missed the part where Musk hired a private investigator to prove that the guy was a pedophile. The investigator lied about the evidence, and Musk did no due diligence but directed his PR team to leak those lies to the media, and then threw a hissy fit when the media didn't reprint those lies uncritically. The whole "pedo guy is just a generic insult" is a laughable lie that Musk tried to float in court. The evidence is that Musk tried to ruin a guy because he had the audacity to call out his publicity stunt when directly asked during an interview. You need to stop defending Musk on this because what he did was incredibly dick-headed and vindictive.
- stickfigure 4y ago
  The investigator lying about evidence is news to me, but hiring an investigator when someone sues you seems perfectly fair game? I mean, if you sued me over something frivolous and I had the resources for it, I'd tear your life apart too. Exchanging insults on twitter is one thing, filing lawsuits is something completely different. Nobody comes across looking pretty here, sure. But it's a real struggle to care one way or another about it. Sounds like that's exactly what the jury thought.

karmakurtisaani 4y ago

After that comment I decided never to buy a Tesla if I can afford one. Good car, scumbag CEO.

TremendousJudge 4y ago
Haven't the alternatives caught up to them, anyway? Most of the EV coverage I see nowadays is for cars made by traditional manufacturers, and are always saying that they match teslas (or are big improvements, such as the f150 lightning)
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  I'm really hoping someone creates a viable alternative to the Roadster 2.0
  - olyjohn 4y ago
    There's plenty of alternative vaporware cars out there that will also never hit production.
    - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
      I'm not convinced it's vaporware. Behind schedule? Absolutely. But Elon has always been shitty about time estimates. Same with Cybertruck and the Semi. They will come out eventually. It might be another 2-4 years, but they will happen. I even think full self driving will eventually be achieved. It might be another 10 years, but we'll get there.

sylens 4y ago

Yup, this was my jumping off point as well