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This is par for the course. Every time there is big news expected, Elon’s antics are elevated and a coordinated distraction by way of a tweet is posted. See the

This is par for the course. Every time there is big news expected, Elon’s antics are elevated and a coordinated distraction by way of a tweet is posted. See the “political attacks on me” tweet as an example, which coincidentally was posted the day prior to his sexual assault allegations. The man has bought Twitter for the purposes of distracting and manipulating the public.

dubswithus 4y ago
> which coincidentally was posted the day prior to his sexual assault allegations. Business insider gave him a heads up because they asked him for comment before publishing the story.
- jvanderbot 4y ago
  the coincidence part was sarcasm, everyone suspected he knew after the article came out
BurningFrog 4y ago
Or were the sexual assault allegations part of the political attacks on him? How would you tell?
- jtorsella 4y ago
  You would tell by checking whether he had been asked for comment on the story before making the claims that there would be political attacks on him, which would reveal that he tweeted a few hours after he learned of the story.
  - LMYahooTFY 4y ago
    How does this rule out that it's a political attack?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      How does it imply that it is a political attack, except for Elon saying so?
- dd36 4y ago
  There was a settlement. He can sue for defamation.
  - watwut 4y ago
    While blabling about freedom of speech.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    Generally, the fact of a settlement would preclude him from winning a defamation suit, since introducing the existence of the settlement would satisfy the defendant's bar of establishing affirmatively that there was some sort of actionable sexual harassment at the "more likely than not" threshold for civil cases. Additionally, the existence of the settlement would likely make any suit for defamation fun afoul of the anti-SLAPP laws.
- marvin 4y ago
  Of course, it's not really so easy to tell. A lot of people select a certain narrative beforehand, and then adapt their interpretation of the facts to match it in retrospect. Or maybe they just made an honest attempt at figuring out the truth. And they're wrong. Or they're right. The world is really complicated, and figuring out the truth from subtle signals is really hard. At best it's a game of probabilities, and I don't think we're often seeing the best in short-form comments on the internet. A lot of commentary I see regarding the most successful entrepeneurs really triggers my suspicion for fallacious thinking, most often confirmation bias for a worldview where "the rich" are out to get everyone else and therefore are expected to lie all the time. I think that generally, the most correct explanations for the comments and behavior or entrepeneurs like Elon Musk are much more complex than that. One thing though; I've become quite jaded towards this after seeing the firehose of lies and distortions regarding the Model 3 production ramp-up in 2017-18. It's hard to take any direct skeptical claim at face value after seeing that; the best I can do it noting that someone said this and concluding "not enough information yet to be certain". Occasionally, there really is a conspiracy, in the sense that a lot of people have a vested interest in having things perceived a certain way. Don't dismiss the idea just because it has the word "conspiracy" in it.
- deleted 4y ago
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- philistine 4y ago
  Is there a situation where you would not expect the dirt of the rich and famous to be reported on? Where journalists collectively, ALL OF THEM, right-wing nutjobs and useless centrists alike, would say let's not? This whole attitude of expect political attacks on me is disingenuous at best. Anybody with power should always expect their personal faults to be reported, whatever their political colour.
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    You seem to completely ignore the possibility of false or exaggerated accusations?
    - philistine 4y ago
      We're talking about professional journalists working for mainstream publications publishing unflattering facts about the richest man in the world; I err on the side of caution, but I do not fall in the trap of believing journalists should be treated by the sole measure that everything they do is bad.
b112 4y ago
The man has bought Twitter for the purposes of distracting and manipulating the public. To be fair, twitter ownership is not required to use twitter for this purpose.
- NoGravitas 4y ago
  True, but it's good insurance against (the unlikely event of) being banned for doing so.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - nabakin 4y ago
    Quite expensive insurance
- arinlen 4y ago
  > To be fair, twitter ownership is not required to use twitter for this purpose. I understood that remark as a reference to the way Musk's bid to buy Twitter with no intention to follow-through, in light of other shameless PR ploys like the absurd political persecution claim, looks like a shameless attempt to distract people from other problems affecting Musk, such as Tesla's tanking stock price.
helloworld653 4y ago
I am still amazed the DoD will work with this guy. Yes, there are thousands of people at Space X, many of them former government employees that are well (and still) respected by their colleagues on civil/military side, but the latitude this guy gets...
- tjpnz 4y ago
  Why wouldn't they? He's not the CEO and there are still things he knows to keep his mouth shut about.
rurp 4y ago
He did the same thing with stock sales last fall. The sale was already in motion when he created a Twitter poll and made a bunch of noise about voluntarily paying taxes. It's bizarre how many people still take his manipulative actions at face value.

dubswithus 4y ago

> which coincidentally was posted the day prior to his sexual assault allegations. Business insider gave him a heads up because they asked him for comment before publishing the story.

jvanderbot 4y ago
the coincidence part was sarcasm, everyone suspected he knew after the article came out

BurningFrog 4y ago

Or were the sexual assault allegations part of the political attacks on him? How would you tell?

jtorsella 4y ago
You would tell by checking whether he had been asked for comment on the story before making the claims that there would be political attacks on him, which would reveal that he tweeted a few hours after he learned of the story.
- LMYahooTFY 4y ago
  How does this rule out that it's a political attack?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    How does it imply that it is a political attack, except for Elon saying so?
dd36 4y ago
There was a settlement. He can sue for defamation.
- watwut 4y ago
  While blabling about freedom of speech.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  Generally, the fact of a settlement would preclude him from winning a defamation suit, since introducing the existence of the settlement would satisfy the defendant's bar of establishing affirmatively that there was some sort of actionable sexual harassment at the "more likely than not" threshold for civil cases. Additionally, the existence of the settlement would likely make any suit for defamation fun afoul of the anti-SLAPP laws.
marvin 4y ago
Of course, it's not really so easy to tell. A lot of people select a certain narrative beforehand, and then adapt their interpretation of the facts to match it in retrospect. Or maybe they just made an honest attempt at figuring out the truth. And they're wrong. Or they're right. The world is really complicated, and figuring out the truth from subtle signals is really hard. At best it's a game of probabilities, and I don't think we're often seeing the best in short-form comments on the internet. A lot of commentary I see regarding the most successful entrepeneurs really triggers my suspicion for fallacious thinking, most often confirmation bias for a worldview where "the rich" are out to get everyone else and therefore are expected to lie all the time. I think that generally, the most correct explanations for the comments and behavior or entrepeneurs like Elon Musk are much more complex than that. One thing though; I've become quite jaded towards this after seeing the firehose of lies and distortions regarding the Model 3 production ramp-up in 2017-18. It's hard to take any direct skeptical claim at face value after seeing that; the best I can do it noting that someone said this and concluding "not enough information yet to be certain". Occasionally, there really is a conspiracy, in the sense that a lot of people have a vested interest in having things perceived a certain way. Don't dismiss the idea just because it has the word "conspiracy" in it.
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philistine 4y ago
Is there a situation where you would not expect the dirt of the rich and famous to be reported on? Where journalists collectively, ALL OF THEM, right-wing nutjobs and useless centrists alike, would say let's not? This whole attitude of expect political attacks on me is disingenuous at best. Anybody with power should always expect their personal faults to be reported, whatever their political colour.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  You seem to completely ignore the possibility of false or exaggerated accusations?
  - philistine 4y ago
    We're talking about professional journalists working for mainstream publications publishing unflattering facts about the richest man in the world; I err on the side of caution, but I do not fall in the trap of believing journalists should be treated by the sole measure that everything they do is bad.

b112 4y ago

The man has bought Twitter for the purposes of distracting and manipulating the public. To be fair, twitter ownership is not required to use twitter for this purpose.

NoGravitas 4y ago
True, but it's good insurance against (the unlikely event of) being banned for doing so.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- nabakin 4y ago
  Quite expensive insurance
arinlen 4y ago
> To be fair, twitter ownership is not required to use twitter for this purpose. I understood that remark as a reference to the way Musk's bid to buy Twitter with no intention to follow-through, in light of other shameless PR ploys like the absurd political persecution claim, looks like a shameless attempt to distract people from other problems affecting Musk, such as Tesla's tanking stock price.

helloworld653 4y ago

I am still amazed the DoD will work with this guy. Yes, there are thousands of people at Space X, many of them former government employees that are well (and still) respected by their colleagues on civil/military side, but the latitude this guy gets...

tjpnz 4y ago
Why wouldn't they? He's not the CEO and there are still things he knows to keep his mouth shut about.

rurp 4y ago

He did the same thing with stock sales last fall. The sale was already in motion when he created a Twitter poll and made a bunch of noise about voluntarily paying taxes. It's bizarre how many people still take his manipulative actions at face value.