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This is a much better article that goes to the usual, high level of detail from a DC Rainmaker post: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/05/shimano-forces-hammerhe

by amanzi 4y ago

This is a much better article that goes to the usual, high level of detail from a DC Rainmaker post: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/05/shimano-forces-hammerhead-to-remove-all-di2-related-functionality-from-karoo.html https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/05/shimano-forces-hammerhea...

dang 4y ago
Ok, we changed to that from https://support.hammerhead.io/hc/en-us/articles/360051706614-Hammerhead-Shimano-Di2 https://support.hammerhead.io/hc/en-us/articles/360051706614.... Thanks!
KennyBlanken 4y ago
Folks should be aware that Ray regularly receives highly preferential treatment by Garmin (who own the ANT standard), as well as speaking engagements at their ANT conference. Expect anything that comes out of his mouth to be colored by his desire to not piss off the gods at Garmin. I've been watching him do that dance for years, refusing to acknowledge major bugs people find in various Garmin products that go unaddressed, to not having a peep to say about the absurd levels of market segmentation Garmin goes to. Oh hey, here's him not pointing out that the whole thing is Garmin's fault for allowing vendors to utilize private, secret ANT functions. Instead: > In other words, this is entirely a result of SRAM acquiring Hammerhead earlier this year No. It's the fault of Garmin for creating "private ANT", mainly because they wanted it for their own purposes. See, Wahoo and others were starting to release competing GPS bike computers (and Hammerhead came along as well)...so private ANT let them lock out other bike computer manufacturers from getting advanced power meter stats, controlling their lights, getting alerts from their radar, etc just long enough to force people to buy their overpriced, under-featured, buggy bike computers.
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- abm53 4y ago
  Counterpoint: his recent review of the new Garmin Varia was fairly critical.
- piquadrat 4y ago
  Well, he for sure pissed Garmin off with his review of the Garmin RCT715[0] (the bike camera/radar/light thingy). At least in my case, his review stopped me from upgrading from an RTL515. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyr-KJy-xKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyr-KJy-xKo
- matsemann 4y ago
  Eh, he receives gadgets from all big players to test, and is very upfront about him returning the stuff after. No one does as thorough reviews about sports gadgets as him. He also publishes all the raw data, so GPS bugs etc. is very visible if they're present, don't feel he hides anything when reviewing Garmin stuff. Sometimes he is even very critical. If anything, if he were in favor of Garmin he wouldn't push this so hard, since it's in favor of Garmin computers that a competitor can't read this data.
- arpinum 4y ago
  I’ve been reading Ray for over a decade and do not find your comment accurate. He has criticised private ANT, he gives good reviews to Garmin competitors, he has been pretty critical of early Vector pedals. His writing style is focused on specific products and things he can measure. You might not like that he doesn’t go off on rants about the industry or write based on info from his comment section, but that doesn’t make him less trustworthy. I’d go so far to say there isn’t a writer in the sports tech space with more integrity than Ray.
- nradov 4y ago
  That is a total misrepresentation of the situation. DC Rainmaker (Ray Maker) is not paid for his speaking engagements at ANT+ and Garmin conferences. He does those for free, and doesn't even accept reimbursement for travel expenses. He has publicly complained about Garmin bugs. https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/06/competitor-software-instability.html https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/06/competitor-software-inst... Garmin and the other manufacturers who control ANT+ created the private channel so that it would be available for experiments when there's no suitable standard profile. There is a standard profile for electronic shifting so you can't blame Garmin if Shimano fails to follow the standard. Garmin does follow the ANT+ profile standards in their power meters, lights, and radars; all of those Garmin sensor devices interoperate correctly with third-party bike computers. The issue described in this post is 100% a Shimano problem and Garmin bears zero blame.

by amanzi 4y ago

dang 4y ago

Ok, we changed to that from https://support.hammerhead.io/hc/en-us/articles/360051706614-Hammerhead-Shimano-Di2 https://support.hammerhead.io/hc/en-us/articles/360051706614.... Thanks!

KennyBlanken 4y ago

Folks should be aware that Ray regularly receives highly preferential treatment by Garmin (who own the ANT standard), as well as speaking engagements at their ANT conference. Expect anything that comes out of his mouth to be colored by his desire to not piss off the gods at Garmin. I've been watching him do that dance for years, refusing to acknowledge major bugs people find in various Garmin products that go unaddressed, to not having a peep to say about the absurd levels of market segmentation Garmin goes to. Oh hey, here's him not pointing out that the whole thing is Garmin's fault for allowing vendors to utilize private, secret ANT functions. Instead: > In other words, this is entirely a result of SRAM acquiring Hammerhead earlier this year No. It's the fault of Garmin for creating "private ANT", mainly because they wanted it for their own purposes. See, Wahoo and others were starting to release competing GPS bike computers (and Hammerhead came along as well)...so private ANT let them lock out other bike computer manufacturers from getting advanced power meter stats, controlling their lights, getting alerts from their radar, etc just long enough to force people to buy their overpriced, under-featured, buggy bike computers.

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abm53 4y ago
Counterpoint: his recent review of the new Garmin Varia was fairly critical.
piquadrat 4y ago
Well, he for sure pissed Garmin off with his review of the Garmin RCT715[0] (the bike camera/radar/light thingy). At least in my case, his review stopped me from upgrading from an RTL515. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyr-KJy-xKo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyr-KJy-xKo
matsemann 4y ago
Eh, he receives gadgets from all big players to test, and is very upfront about him returning the stuff after. No one does as thorough reviews about sports gadgets as him. He also publishes all the raw data, so GPS bugs etc. is very visible if they're present, don't feel he hides anything when reviewing Garmin stuff. Sometimes he is even very critical. If anything, if he were in favor of Garmin he wouldn't push this so hard, since it's in favor of Garmin computers that a competitor can't read this data.
arpinum 4y ago
I’ve been reading Ray for over a decade and do not find your comment accurate. He has criticised private ANT, he gives good reviews to Garmin competitors, he has been pretty critical of early Vector pedals. His writing style is focused on specific products and things he can measure. You might not like that he doesn’t go off on rants about the industry or write based on info from his comment section, but that doesn’t make him less trustworthy. I’d go so far to say there isn’t a writer in the sports tech space with more integrity than Ray.
nradov 4y ago
That is a total misrepresentation of the situation. DC Rainmaker (Ray Maker) is not paid for his speaking engagements at ANT+ and Garmin conferences. He does those for free, and doesn't even accept reimbursement for travel expenses. He has publicly complained about Garmin bugs. https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/06/competitor-software-instability.html https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/06/competitor-software-inst... Garmin and the other manufacturers who control ANT+ created the private channel so that it would be available for experiments when there's no suitable standard profile. There is a standard profile for electronic shifting so you can't blame Garmin if Shimano fails to follow the standard. Garmin does follow the ANT+ profile standards in their power meters, lights, and radars; all of those Garmin sensor devices interoperate correctly with third-party bike computers. The issue described in this post is 100% a Shimano problem and Garmin bears zero blame.