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>" push to bring CNN back towards hard news coverage, and away from progressive commentary." I'd be weary about this. I don't sense CNN was somehow compelled t

• colinmhayes 4y ago
  • BitwiseFool 4y ago
    I make personal observations and share them, you are correct!
• linkingday 4y ago
  seeing CNN and "progressive" in the same context befuddles me - these guys are center-right in almost every sense. I guess that's just where the Overton window is nowadays
  • zmgsabst 4y ago
    If you think CNN is “center right”, you’re revealing your own far left biases.
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    • JaimeThompson 4y ago
      How are you using "far left" in this instance?
      • upsidesinclude 4y ago
        To the left of progressive Democrat and then farther still Edit: clearly the down votes don't seem to see the context wherein OP has described the commenter. My post is not an opinion, it's the contextual position given by the OP. But by all means downvote away per your bias. Thanks Mods
        • linkingday 4y ago
          what if I told you that Democrats aren't even on the left, when it comes to the rest of the world?
          • teakettle42 4y ago
            It’d suggest that you’re viewing the world from a radically far left perspective.
            • linkingday 4y ago
              or...from the perspective that much of Europe views it. American politics is bunk, bought and sold by corporations that think of nothing but profit, by design. literally a country where bribery is legal and encouraged
            • JaimeThompson 4y ago
              Is one on the "radical left" if they think LGBTQ people should be able to get married, that the non-religious / non-Christians should have equal rights? This is a serious question, not a troll. I ask it because the "conservative" party in the US explicitly is against such things in their platform documents. It's rather strange to me that it is so hard for the term "radical left" to be defined in any sort of objective way, often it seems no definition is available at all which makes discussions about the topics hard to have.
              • PraetorianGourd 4y ago
                LGBTQ people can get married federally, and there is no serious effort to reverse that. It is disingenuous to use marriage rights as a litmus test because whether one morally supports it is irrelevant under the law. What rights do Christians have over others?
    • bozhark 4y ago
      Only in America*
      • mardifoufs 4y ago
        This is totally false. On social issues It would be comfortably to the left even in europe. Probably not on foreign policy though, I'd agree
    • bitwize 4y ago
      "Far left" in America is "center right" in a sane country. Card-carrying communists sit in the parliaments of some Western democracies. Yet they somehow still get on as democracies, without many of the problems that plague the USA like wars of resource appropriation, rampant racism, and school shootings.
      • zmgsabst 4y ago
        • mthoms 4y ago
          I’m a (non-American) outsider unfamiliar with either of those, but a quick reading leads me to believe that your description is so reductionist as to be intentionally misleading. There’s more nuance to it than “attempts to overturn civil rights”. Just my opinion. Also, it’s not clear from the links (or I missed it) but are you calling these “Democratic” initiatives because they were the official position of the Democratic Party or simply because they are occurred in mostly left leaning states?
          • zmgsabst 4y ago
            > There’s more nuance to it than “attempts to overturn civil rights”. These are repealing civil rights laws in order to recreate government bigotry. Factually, that is what they do. You can feel that institutionalizing racism is a good idea — the “nuance” you say I’m omitting — but that doesn’t change that these are attempts to repeal civil rights laws which ban discrimination on the basis of protected class. > are you calling these “Democratic” initiatives because they were the official position of the Democratic Party Yes — re-creating institutionalized racism is part of the Democrat party platform, using euphemisms like “equity”.
      • vlunkr 4y ago
        Sorry to slow down the AMERICA BAD train, but this seems pretty naive. These are incredibly complex, long running issues, and comparing the US with much smaller and less diverse countries is pretty pointless. Every country falls somewhere on the political spectrum, implying that they are all insane because the aren't Sweden or something is revealing some heavy bias.
    • MrMan 4y ago
      I am used to Cuba, Venezuela, Kerala as examples of places where far-left ideologies can be found. CNN has a materialist capitalist free-market POV as far as I can tell but since it became the missing child network with Nancy Grace I stopped ever watching it because its annoying, not because its far left.
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  • treesknees 4y ago
    In which senses are they center-right? This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to CNN as anywhere near the right. AllSides Bias Rating puts them on the left, https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart Pew Research shows a significant slant toward the left in terms of CNN's audience, https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/interactives/media-polarization/outlet/cnn https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/interactives/media-po... Searching CNN in this bias chart shows center-left, https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ From 2014 but still showing CNN toward the left, https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444
    • pueblito 4y ago
      For me, personally, the nonstop rotation of defense lobbyists and uncritical parroting of anything put out by the Pentagon makes CNN appear pretty right wing to me. Especially since it’s a bunch of intelligence community apparatchiks doing the parroting. Everything else they report comes from PR NewsWire, and to me that union of corporate power and media also seems very right wing
      • Clubber 4y ago
        I think CNN is definitely allied with the Democratic Party. Both parties are hawks when it serves their interest, so not having intelligence propaganda showing wouldn't be an option. For those that downvoted him, many of the CNN "war contributors" have ties with the defense industry that are not disclosed, and those are all pro-war/intervention. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/news-networks-use-retired-military-brass-as-war-analysts-without-disclosing-their-defense-industry-ties/2020/01/13/7b507bfe-323c-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/news-networks... https://jacobin.com/2022/04/defense-industry-ex-military-officials-pundits-corporate-news-ukraine https://jacobin.com/2022/04/defense-industry-ex-military-off... This has been going on for decades. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html EDIT: I just noticed but I think it's funny that the WaPo has an article showing that the defense industry has infiltrated our news organizations in the lifestyle section. It's almost as if the editors are trying to hide the fact. I would think it would be a front page thing. Pretty significant assault on the democratic process, particularly on a subject as immense as war.
  • rayiner 4y ago
    What do you mean by “almost every sense?” In say Germany, abortion is illegal after the first trimester, riots are stopped by police, I can get Christian classes for my kids in a public school, and the government doesn’t make eligibility for benefits dependent on people’s skin color. CNN is to the left of Germany on each of those issues.
    • lupire 4y ago
      Eh, the German government will pay for abortions in first trimester, rape/abuse, or an important danger to mother's mental/physical health, or if the fetus is disabled (Yay Nazis?). Germany allows nudity, sex work, and prostitution; bans Nazi imagery; and has socialized medicine.
      • rayiner 4y ago
        > Eh, the German government will pay for abortions in first trimester, rape/abuse, or an important danger to mother's mental/physical health, or if the fetus is disabled (Yay Nazis?). The Mississippi law that supposedly violates Roe also allows abortions after 15 weeks in case of danger to the mother’s health and fetal abnormalities. And unlike in Germany, there is no mandatory counseling or waiting period. The Mississippi law is more similar to the German law than different—certainly much closer to each other than to Roe, which requires legalized elective abortions for two months after nearly all other developed countries ban the practice. I’ll certainly grant you that, when it comes to the government paying for things, CNN is definitely in the center. But that’s just one of many issues.
  • derevaunseraun 4y ago
    I'm convinced that whenever people feel the need to say a news source is right, left, or center, they're usually trying to redefine "the center". The way that someone classifies a news source politically is almost always a perfect indicator of their politics
  • MockObject 4y ago
    Can I just say how absurd it would be to reduce music, art, cooking, literature, sexuality, religions, or fashion down to a simplified one-dimensional spectrum, so maybe we should think twice about doing this with politics, which is equally complex and nuanced as any of those other fields of human endeavor. To do so is to invite confusion, and synthetic arguments not about policy, but terminology.
• jvanderbot 4y ago
  Then they'll diversify their reporters, a most welcome change.
• ShamelessC 4y ago
  • rajup 4y ago
    How exactly is this flamebait?
    • colpabar 4y ago
      turn on showdead and just vouch the now-flagged-and-dead comment. people who flag stuff like that aren't interested in discussion.
• jchw 4y ago
  I vouched for this comment when it was flagged. I assume it’s flagged because of the last couple sentences? but I don’t find them all that inflammatory and frankly, it seems kinda accurate to me. Whether or not the assertion is correct overall? Dunno. I don’t find CNN “progressive” but I suspect the term is being used to refer to more sensational, polarized content, not actually very progressive content.
  • BitwiseFool 4y ago
    I wasn't trying to be inflammatory or derogatory towards progressives or progressivism in general. I wanted to go back and edit my comment with a little more detail, mainly that I sensed the "progressive commentary" as mentioned in the article itself is likely a result of CNN having hired so many progressive journalists, rather than some directive to cover the news with more progressive commentary that is now being walked back. By extension, progressives by-and-large tend to be very active and vocal. This is, I believe, a key component as to why their positions and worldviews are so well known and so frequently seen. Activism is a virtue for progressives, and they place a serious emphasis on making sure their voices and perspectives are heard. I don't think it's wrong or disparaging to say that and I suspect I'm not the only one with this observation. I'm commenting on their approach, not condemning them for it.
    • suture 4y ago
      This is very weird comment. You are talking about progressives as if this is the only large grouping that is vocal or active. Insert conservatives, environmentalists, fundamentalists, jihadists, etc. and the statements remain equally valid. Your point essentially boils down to saying water is wet. Your comments pertain to all politically, philosophically, and religiously motivated groups.
      • BitwiseFool 4y ago
        >"You are talking about progressives as if this is the only large grouping that is vocal or active. " I'm surprised it is being received this way, mainly because I specifically tried to avoid making comparisons to other groups so that the topic doesn't get more heated. I also wanted to avoid having my observation about progressive vocality and activism invalidated or diminished because [group xyz] is perceived as more vocal and active.
• heleninboodler 4y ago
  > progressives aren't known for wanting to be neutral or muted about their causes. Activism and "everything is political" are fundamental aspects of their worldview. I'd agree with this 100% if it didn't pretend that this is only true of progressives. This is undeniably true about the hard right as well.
  • Karunamon 4y ago
    Indeed it is, but the 'hard right' doesn't exist on CNN. I wouldn't expect people to bring up the problems with progressive commentators on a thread about, say, Fox News, because they don't exist over there. To me, in this thread with this topic, this reads as whataboutism.
    • heleninboodler 4y ago
      The GP presented these properties as if they are unique to progressives. It's not whataboutism to point out that they aren't. If they'd simply attributed activism and an "everything is political" attitude to CNN, that would have been reasonable since this discussion is about CNN, but they decided to expand this attribution to to "progressives", which is a very different thing.
      • SllX 4y ago
        Only if you flatly ignore the context. BitwiseFool’s original commentary was not just about progressives, it was also about CNN’s staffing choices.
      • BitwiseFool 4y ago
        >"The GP presented these properties as if they are unique to progressives. " I genuinely wasn't trying to do that. The article, and discussion, was around progressives when I shared my observation and thoughts about them. Wanting to stay in focus, I kept my comment and observation about them only. I'm genuinely surprised that by not bringing up a contrast with other political ideologies I'm perceived as believing it is unique to them.
• jonnycomputer 4y ago
  I actually think most reporters are fairly objective in their reporting. I think bias shows up in editorial decisions on what news to cover, how prominent it should be, and the headlines used to sell it (which journalists don't usually write, if I understand correctly). Also, the prominent place of opinion "journalism" and talking heads that try to rile people up, especially in visual mediums. Yes, I'm talking about Fox and Friends et al. and some of the hosts on CNN. People spend more time, I think, getting riled up on entertainment, than actually learning about the world. More hard journalism will be a good thing.
• dymk 4y ago
  Why are you calling out this behavior like it's unique to progressives? Screaming that the sky is falling is the M.O. for Fox News executives. It's just how the mainstream media operates.
• subsubzero 4y ago
  CNN has such a bad image for multiple reasons. Initially it was just poor news coverage and lazy reporting( I remember so many jokes on reddit bashing them), this was in the 2000's. Then for whatever reason in the 2010's they started to fork to the hard left and covering every story with a level of bias I would associate with Fox News(but left facing). Some of their news stories were so bad it was comical, ie. saying Joe Rogan had taken horse tranquilizer stands out as particularly egregious(a Dr. prescribed him ivermectin a perfectly safe drug with dubious effectiveness against covid). This change is like Jerry Springer leaving his trashy TV show and trying to run for Senator(and backing out), his reputation like CNN's is so tarnished that no one would ever take it seriously again.