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> The author sounds like a losing poker player. Annie Duke has cashed 39 times at the WSOP and has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. Any

> The author sounds like a losing poker player. Annie Duke has cashed 39 times at the WSOP and has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. Any good poker player would understand that the example was simplified for a non-playing audience. It’s so obvious it didn’t need to be stated.

baobabKoodaa 4y ago
> Annie Duke has cashed 39 times at the WSOP and has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. This statistic is almost certainly not counting tournament buy-ins. It doesn't represent net profit. If you want to evaluate somebody's performance as a poker player, you want to look at net profit (among other things). Literally every poker player will have some wins, so if you only count the wins without counting losses, it will sound impressive but not actually mean anything.
listenallyall 4y ago
> has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. This is most certainly not true, because it doesn't subtract the cost of all the entry fees, to the tournaments she cashed and the dozens or hundreds she didn't. "alone" implies she has won additional money in non-tournament play, when there is no evidence she is a winning cash player. Finally, there is a LOT more to the Annie Duke story. Morally, ethically, business-wise. A winner? A little research goes a long way.
- csa 4y ago
  > This is most certainly not true, because it doesn't subtract the cost of all the entry fees It is fairly standard in the poker world to discuss total winnings in tournaments rather than net winnings. When discussing net winnings, it’s usually discussed using an ROI measure (e.g., 30% roi over their past 100 MTTs between $1000 and $5000) rather than just dollars, since the biggest winners in dollars are almost all winners of super high roller tourneys like the Big One for One Drop. Furthermore, live MTT results in general are often skewed due to the unmatched (?) softness of the $10k wsop main event for a field that size. With regards to Annie Duke in particular, I never considered her a “good” pro poker player. That said, she was pretty good at fleecing amateurs, and she was able to play a tight game when she was outclassed.
  - listenallyall 4y ago
    > fairly standard in the poker world But this is an article aimed at the general public.

baobabKoodaa 4y ago

> Annie Duke has cashed 39 times at the WSOP and has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. This statistic is almost certainly not counting tournament buy-ins. It doesn't represent net profit. If you want to evaluate somebody's performance as a poker player, you want to look at net profit (among other things). Literally every poker player will have some wins, so if you only count the wins without counting losses, it will sound impressive but not actually mean anything.

listenallyall 4y ago

> has won at least four million dollars at tournaments alone. This is most certainly not true, because it doesn't subtract the cost of all the entry fees, to the tournaments she cashed and the dozens or hundreds she didn't. "alone" implies she has won additional money in non-tournament play, when there is no evidence she is a winning cash player. Finally, there is a LOT more to the Annie Duke story. Morally, ethically, business-wise. A winner? A little research goes a long way.

csa 4y ago
> This is most certainly not true, because it doesn't subtract the cost of all the entry fees It is fairly standard in the poker world to discuss total winnings in tournaments rather than net winnings. When discussing net winnings, it’s usually discussed using an ROI measure (e.g., 30% roi over their past 100 MTTs between $1000 and $5000) rather than just dollars, since the biggest winners in dollars are almost all winners of super high roller tourneys like the Big One for One Drop. Furthermore, live MTT results in general are often skewed due to the unmatched (?) softness of the $10k wsop main event for a field that size. With regards to Annie Duke in particular, I never considered her a “good” pro poker player. That said, she was pretty good at fleecing amateurs, and she was able to play a tight game when she was outclassed.
- listenallyall 4y ago
  > fairly standard in the poker world But this is an article aimed at the general public.