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It looks almost too stupid to believe they really assumed pediatric cases will be different. Vast majority of covid cases among kids are asymptomatic and never

It looks almost too stupid to believe they really assumed pediatric cases will be different. Vast majority of covid cases among kids are asymptomatic and never detected, masking for kids is not about protecting them, it's about protecting their parents and especially grandparents from the covid infection they could bring from school.

rllearneratwork 4y ago
can't parents and grandparents, you know, get vaccinated to protect themselves?
- WalterGR 4y ago
  Undoubtedly they did if they could. Vaccines are not 100% effective. Why are we still talking about this? "At Least Two Million Children Have Lost a Parent or Grandparent Caregiver to COVID" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/at-least-two-million-children-have-lost-a-parent-or-grandparent-caregiver-to-covid/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/at-least-two-mill...
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > can't parents and grandparents, you know, get vaccinated to protect themselves? Not necessarily. Immunocompromise, have you heard of it?
  - thehappypm 4y ago
    I would pay an increase in taxes to pay the immunocompromised to stay home. I’m so sick of people bringing this up as if it’s a justification for us to wear masks forever
    - WalterGR 4y ago
      Who is forcing you to wear a mask forever? That kind of hyperbole serves no one.
      - thehappypm 4y ago
        My town (Massachusetts) just reinstated an indoor mask mandate, so… where’s the hyperbole? We’re going to have these covid spikes forever
        WalterGR 4y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=Massachusetts+indoor+mask+mandate&tbm=nws https://www.google.com/search?q=Massachusetts+indoor+mask+ma... It looks like one community in MA reinstated the mask mandate for town-owned buildings some time after the mask mandate had been lifted. That's different than being forced to wear a mask everywhere in public in perpetuity. If a person doesn't like wearing a mask, then they're free to not wear one and free to not go to town-owned buildings.
        thehappypm 4y ago
        “Free to not to go town-owned buildings” oh you mean schools and town hall? So easy to avoid!
        WalterGR 4y ago
        Then wear a mask.
      - danenania 4y ago
        Adults aren't being forced to wear masks, but young children are in many places when they go to school. No criteria has been set that I'm aware of for when this will stop, and there's no indication that covid is ever going away. I have a 3 year old that is starting preschool in a few months in California. It's not at all clear that mask requirements will be removed for young children here anytime in the next couple of years. I'm liberal on most issues and supported early covid interventions, but at this point, frankly, I feel that her wellbeing is being sacrificed for the sake of superstitious/quasi-religious beliefs.
        4y ago
- chaostheory 4y ago
  Vaccine efficacy drastically gets cut as weeks and months past, especially with newer variants. However, N95 masks stay at 95% efficacy no matter what the variant. It may be practical for grandparents to wear masks occasionally around their grandchildren and when they go into public indoor spaces, but it’s much less practical for parents since most live with their children.
- meepmorp 4y ago
  Widespread immunity leads to overall lower levels of sickness. Vaccines aren't just to protect the individual being vaccinated, they benefit the larger population.
hsn915 4y ago
The parents and grandparents should just get vaccinated. The virus will never go away. There's no reason to live in perpetual fear. Masks may work, but mask mandates don't work. You can't force people to do something they don't like 24/7. They will take off the mask when you're not looking, or they will wear it in a bad way on purpose. Specially when it comes to kids.
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  > You can't force people to do something they don't like 24/7. Unpopular but necessary laws exist. Also, I’m pretty sure that mask mandates weren’t rejected by a majority of the population, but a vocal minority instead.
  - colpabar 4y ago
    Laws? Should the police be involved?
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Laws? Should the police be involved? No, the police should not be, and generally are not, involved in most non-criminal laws.
      - hajile 4y ago
        Police enforce EVERY law. Even the most minor infractions are ultimately backed up with the idea that the police will force you to comply. We have plenty of examples up to and including little kids getting tasered and arrested for minor or even imaginary infractions. Throughout history, there has been no law so vile that police cannot be found who are willing to enforce that law.
      - colpabar 4y ago
        It seems ridiculous to claim the police can't possibly be involved in any kind of legal matter. I dated a girl who once had a panic attack, and because of some policy, the hospital she first went to called the police and they literally handcuffed her inside a van to take her to a different hospital. edit: I guess I do agree with you that they should not be involved. But my point is that laws tend to give police "justification" to use force, whether they're supposed to or not. I am not an anarchist, we do need laws, but I think it's important that we remember who will be enforcing them when new ones are suggested.
dr_ 4y ago
But in the larger sample size, the incidence of COVID was just as high, if not sometimes higher, amongst masked children. I found this surprising, but if true, parents and grandparents aren’t really being protected by kids being masked at school.
legitster 4y ago
Again though, the findings of their study is that forced masking in schools did not do anything to slow community spread. If your kid wore a mask, they still probably brought Covid home with them.
Markoff 4y ago
so if my kids see their grandparents once a year and me and my wife don't want our kids to protect us, can my kids be exempted from mask mandate? because nobody asked us, all the time I heard how we are saving grandma, yet one grandma lives 10 hours by plane on different continent and other one 3 hours drive by car, but according MSM everyone is babysit by grandparents on daily basis

rllearneratwork 4y ago

can't parents and grandparents, you know, get vaccinated to protect themselves?

WalterGR 4y ago
Undoubtedly they did if they could. Vaccines are not 100% effective. Why are we still talking about this? "At Least Two Million Children Have Lost a Parent or Grandparent Caregiver to COVID" https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/at-least-two-million-children-have-lost-a-parent-or-grandparent-caregiver-to-covid/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/at-least-two-mill...
tablespoon 4y ago
> can't parents and grandparents, you know, get vaccinated to protect themselves? Not necessarily. Immunocompromise, have you heard of it?
- thehappypm 4y ago
  I would pay an increase in taxes to pay the immunocompromised to stay home. I’m so sick of people bringing this up as if it’s a justification for us to wear masks forever
  - WalterGR 4y ago
    Who is forcing you to wear a mask forever? That kind of hyperbole serves no one.
    - thehappypm 4y ago
      My town (Massachusetts) just reinstated an indoor mask mandate, so… where’s the hyperbole? We’re going to have these covid spikes forever
      - WalterGR 4y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=Massachusetts+indoor+mask+mandate&tbm=nws https://www.google.com/search?q=Massachusetts+indoor+mask+ma... It looks like one community in MA reinstated the mask mandate for town-owned buildings some time after the mask mandate had been lifted. That's different than being forced to wear a mask everywhere in public in perpetuity. If a person doesn't like wearing a mask, then they're free to not wear one and free to not go to town-owned buildings.
        thehappypm 4y ago
        “Free to not to go town-owned buildings” oh you mean schools and town hall? So easy to avoid!
        WalterGR 4y ago
        Then wear a mask.
    - danenania 4y ago
      Adults aren't being forced to wear masks, but young children are in many places when they go to school. No criteria has been set that I'm aware of for when this will stop, and there's no indication that covid is ever going away. I have a 3 year old that is starting preschool in a few months in California. It's not at all clear that mask requirements will be removed for young children here anytime in the next couple of years. I'm liberal on most issues and supported early covid interventions, but at this point, frankly, I feel that her wellbeing is being sacrificed for the sake of superstitious/quasi-religious beliefs.
      - 4y ago
chaostheory 4y ago
Vaccine efficacy drastically gets cut as weeks and months past, especially with newer variants. However, N95 masks stay at 95% efficacy no matter what the variant. It may be practical for grandparents to wear masks occasionally around their grandchildren and when they go into public indoor spaces, but it’s much less practical for parents since most live with their children.
meepmorp 4y ago
Widespread immunity leads to overall lower levels of sickness. Vaccines aren't just to protect the individual being vaccinated, they benefit the larger population.

hsn915 4y ago

The parents and grandparents should just get vaccinated. The virus will never go away. There's no reason to live in perpetual fear. Masks may work, but mask mandates don't work. You can't force people to do something they don't like 24/7. They will take off the mask when you're not looking, or they will wear it in a bad way on purpose. Specially when it comes to kids.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
> You can't force people to do something they don't like 24/7. Unpopular but necessary laws exist. Also, I’m pretty sure that mask mandates weren’t rejected by a majority of the population, but a vocal minority instead.
- colpabar 4y ago
  Laws? Should the police be involved?
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Laws? Should the police be involved? No, the police should not be, and generally are not, involved in most non-criminal laws.
    - hajile 4y ago
      Police enforce EVERY law. Even the most minor infractions are ultimately backed up with the idea that the police will force you to comply. We have plenty of examples up to and including little kids getting tasered and arrested for minor or even imaginary infractions. Throughout history, there has been no law so vile that police cannot be found who are willing to enforce that law.
    - colpabar 4y ago
      It seems ridiculous to claim the police can't possibly be involved in any kind of legal matter. I dated a girl who once had a panic attack, and because of some policy, the hospital she first went to called the police and they literally handcuffed her inside a van to take her to a different hospital. edit: I guess I do agree with you that they should not be involved. But my point is that laws tend to give police "justification" to use force, whether they're supposed to or not. I am not an anarchist, we do need laws, but I think it's important that we remember who will be enforcing them when new ones are suggested.

dr_ 4y ago

But in the larger sample size, the incidence of COVID was just as high, if not sometimes higher, amongst masked children. I found this surprising, but if true, parents and grandparents aren’t really being protected by kids being masked at school.

legitster 4y ago

Again though, the findings of their study is that forced masking in schools did not do anything to slow community spread. If your kid wore a mask, they still probably brought Covid home with them.

Markoff 4y ago

so if my kids see their grandparents once a year and me and my wife don't want our kids to protect us, can my kids be exempted from mask mandate? because nobody asked us, all the time I heard how we are saving grandma, yet one grandma lives 10 hours by plane on different continent and other one 3 hours drive by car, but according MSM everyone is babysit by grandparents on daily basis