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He also said in a tweet about it that employees who don't like it can "pretend to work somewhere else". I guess he can pretend he has any senior engineers left

He also said in a tweet about it that employees who don't like it can "pretend to work somewhere else". I guess he can pretend he has any senior engineers left as well. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531867103854317568 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531867103854317568 That being said, as much as I'm not a fan of this at all, it is good to see that the execs are included (or at least the email was sent to them, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt). Often the people at the top who are pushing for these policies don't apply the same to themselves.

subsubzero 4y ago
The problem I have with forcing execs to the same policy as workers when it comes to return to office is that most tech offices are located in extremely expensive cities where most employees now can not afford a decent house to raise a family. The execs can live anywhere in the world and lavishly on their salaries but in the bay area a average house runs about $1.6M, try to buy that on a 100-200k a year salary.(note tesla office is in palo alto where the avg. price of a house is $4M dollars, I don't know how much the TX office home prices are)
- bodge5000 4y ago
  Oh no I agree, I don't like the policy at all, but if he's going to enforce the policy anyway, at least enforce it equally. Don't get me wrong though, I'd be handing in my notice either way
  - deleted 4y ago
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- api 4y ago
  Housing costs are the elephant in the living with this issue and a ton of others. It's IMHO a domestic crisis in the US. Unfortunately the people running the country are benefiting from it, including the older members of the middle and upper middle class sitting on gigantic amounts of home equity.
ra7 4y ago
Classic Elon Musk. The guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. Always disparaging and insulting people who don't agree with this controversial views.
- walkhour 4y ago
  I don't agree with what he said and would never work for him, but what's the insult exactly and how has anyone been disparaged? Working for a company is a voluntary agreement between both parties, he just established his terms, if you're an employee, you can accept them or reject them.
  - ra7 4y ago
    The parent comment linked to a tweet where he ~says~ implies everyone else working remotely is "pretend working". Also in the emails: > There are of course companies that don't require this, but when was the last time they shipped a great new product? It's been a while. Seriously, no one else except Tesla in the whole world ships great products? He also regularly makes disparaging comments on his competitors whether it's auto manufacturers, the self driving industry or even insults at politicians. Seems totally unnecessary for someone in his position of power.
    - walkhour 4y ago
      > everyone else working remotely is "pretend working" Can you quote? I didn't see this in the sent emails, which is the news being discussed. He said everyone working remotely is pretending to work? > Seriously, no one else except Tesla in the whole world ships great products? Taking pride in ones own products is very common in companies. In any case, I don't think these qualify as insulting, if you feel insulted, I'm guessing you'll be feeling offended very often.
      - ra7 4y ago
        > Can you quote? It’s right there in the parent comment: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531867103854317568 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531867103854317568 Pretty clear he thinks working remotely is pretend working. > if you feel insulted, I'm guessing you'll be feeling offended very often. I like how you ignored the next paragraph where I said he disparages everyone and went straight to telling me I’m sensitive. I’m not surprised though.
BaseballPhysics 4y ago
> That being said, as much as I'm not a fan of this at all, it is good to see that the execs are included (or at least the email was sent to them, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt). Often the people at the top who are pushing for these policies don't apply the same to themselves. I don't agree. Speaking as a manager, management are the usually the ones who want to be in the office because our jobs require so much communication and human interaction. Given the choice, of course I'd want to have my days and days of endless meetings in a shared space where I can read body language and so forth! It's the ICs that don't want to commute, and I completely understand that! When your job is 50-60% heads down focus work (as opposed to myself, where I'd bet it's 20% at best), going to the office kinda sucks. So there's nothing terribly heroic about requiring execs to come in. In fact, a huge part of the reason there's a fight about remote work is because management and ICs fundamentally have a different experience of work and want/need different things.

subsubzero 4y ago

The problem I have with forcing execs to the same policy as workers when it comes to return to office is that most tech offices are located in extremely expensive cities where most employees now can not afford a decent house to raise a family. The execs can live anywhere in the world and lavishly on their salaries but in the bay area a average house runs about $1.6M, try to buy that on a 100-200k a year salary.(note tesla office is in palo alto where the avg. price of a house is $4M dollars, I don't know how much the TX office home prices are)

bodge5000 4y ago
Oh no I agree, I don't like the policy at all, but if he's going to enforce the policy anyway, at least enforce it equally. Don't get me wrong though, I'd be handing in my notice either way
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api 4y ago
Housing costs are the elephant in the living with this issue and a ton of others. It's IMHO a domestic crisis in the US. Unfortunately the people running the country are benefiting from it, including the older members of the middle and upper middle class sitting on gigantic amounts of home equity.

ra7 4y ago

Classic Elon Musk. The guy has the maturity of a 12 year old. Always disparaging and insulting people who don't agree with this controversial views.

walkhour 4y ago
I don't agree with what he said and would never work for him, but what's the insult exactly and how has anyone been disparaged? Working for a company is a voluntary agreement between both parties, he just established his terms, if you're an employee, you can accept them or reject them.
- ra7 4y ago
  The parent comment linked to a tweet where he ~says~ implies everyone else working remotely is "pretend working". Also in the emails: > There are of course companies that don't require this, but when was the last time they shipped a great new product? It's been a while. Seriously, no one else except Tesla in the whole world ships great products? He also regularly makes disparaging comments on his competitors whether it's auto manufacturers, the self driving industry or even insults at politicians. Seems totally unnecessary for someone in his position of power.
  - walkhour 4y ago
    > everyone else working remotely is "pretend working" Can you quote? I didn't see this in the sent emails, which is the news being discussed. He said everyone working remotely is pretending to work? > Seriously, no one else except Tesla in the whole world ships great products? Taking pride in ones own products is very common in companies. In any case, I don't think these qualify as insulting, if you feel insulted, I'm guessing you'll be feeling offended very often.
    - ra7 4y ago
      > Can you quote? It’s right there in the parent comment: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531867103854317568 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531867103854317568 Pretty clear he thinks working remotely is pretend working. > if you feel insulted, I'm guessing you'll be feeling offended very often. I like how you ignored the next paragraph where I said he disparages everyone and went straight to telling me I’m sensitive. I’m not surprised though.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago

> That being said, as much as I'm not a fan of this at all, it is good to see that the execs are included (or at least the email was sent to them, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt). Often the people at the top who are pushing for these policies don't apply the same to themselves. I don't agree. Speaking as a manager, management are the usually the ones who want to be in the office because our jobs require so much communication and human interaction. Given the choice, of course I'd want to have my days and days of endless meetings in a shared space where I can read body language and so forth! It's the ICs that don't want to commute, and I completely understand that! When your job is 50-60% heads down focus work (as opposed to myself, where I'd bet it's 20% at best), going to the office kinda sucks. So there's nothing terribly heroic about requiring execs to come in. In fact, a huge part of the reason there's a fight about remote work is because management and ICs fundamentally have a different experience of work and want/need different things.