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We can criticise the on premise policy but at least Elon walks the walk, I find it inspiring. He lives in the factories!

invalidusernam3 4y ago
He spends a lot of time posting memes on twitter for someone who supposedly lives in the factory.
dangrossman 4y ago
He's getting paid $18 million dollars per day to pretend he lives in the factories, doing none of the dangerous and backbreaking manual work most of the people in the building are doing for under $18/hour. I'm sure they're super inspired.
- pionar 4y ago
  Yeah, exactly. When I worked in a factory, the execs "working with us" were just in the way to get their monthly photo ops.
- oneoff786 4y ago
  It probably would be relatively inspiring to have your CEO in the factory and not in his top floor c suite in a fancy suit using the only clean toilets that the whole building has to offer.
  - dangrossman 4y ago
    According to the factory workers, it's terrifying. He's known for walking around the factory rage firing employees at random. I think they'd prefer he be anywhere else. > "Employees knew about such rampages. Sometimes Musk would terminate people; other times he would simply intimidate them. One manager had a name for these outbursts—Elon’s rage firings—and had forbidden subordinates from walking too close to Musk’s desk at the Gigafactory out of concern that a chance encounter, an unexpected question answered incorrectly, might endanger a career." https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-gigafactory/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-giga... https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-reportedly-terrified-tesla-staff-with-his-firing-sprees-2018-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-reportedly-terrifi...
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      Sounds shitty
      - Supermancho 4y ago
        > "Employees knew about such rampages. Sometimes Musk would terminate people; other times he would simply intimidate them. One manager had a name for these outbursts—Elon’s rage firings Sounds like same ol' behavior as the narcissistic Ballmer and Jobs. Being perceived as "dangerous" is part of being an alpha male, but it goes too far when you get to the top, it seems.
  - notfromhere 4y ago
    Nah. Having factory staff interact with the CEO would create a lot of stress for said factory staff, plus Musk is known for going into a rage and firing people.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  It would be interesting to see data on which companies have the best recruitment (most applicants for similar roles). My hunch is Tesla beats most others.
  - Planktonne 4y ago
    > best recruitment (most applicants for similar roles) I don't think 'number of applicants' is a good way of measuring 'best recruitment', or that 'best recruitment' is a meaningful counter when talking about conditions of people currently employed there.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      Maybe your subjective opinion about the working conditions is not universally held. Recruitment data would remove individual bias in favor of the collective bias of the actual workers, which is what's most important in my opinion
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - Planktonne 4y ago
        Recruitment data will tell you about the applicants, not the workers. They're opinions will necessarily be far less informed than the workers'.
- leobg 4y ago
  Right. All that guy cares about is money, so he can sleaze off at his yacht, surround himself with supermodels and be photographed with world leaders. End of sarcasm. It’s not like Elon needs more money to afford a bigger house or something. The the things he wants are things that, as of now, no amount of money can buy. He is, like everybody, motivated by a desire to overcome limitations. But the limitations he perceives are likely very different from yours.
  - ctvo 4y ago
    > Right. All that guy cares about is money, so he can sleaze off at his yacht, surround himself with supermodels and be photographed with world leaders. Elon dated Amber Heard. It was revealed in a trial that he donated 1 million USD on her behalf to charities of her choice, we presume to impress her during their courtship. > It’s not like Elon needs more money to afford a bigger house or something. The the things he wants are things that, as of now, no amount of money can buy. He wanted Twitter, which had a very specific price tag (44 billion USD), and his wealth allowed him to purchase it. There are plenty of examples where additional wealth has benefited Elon.
    - leobg 4y ago
      Sure. But it's not like he wants it for personal consumption. You gotta ask what is "reason why" is. What is he after? And I'd say it's something like a better nervous system for the human species as such. I'd say it's a world in which ideas can compete with one another based on merit. And that, again, is something money cannot buy today. Just like an electric car with 500 horsepower and 400 miles of range wasn't something you could buy back in 2008.
      - ctvo 4y ago
        (I edited my post before your reply -- apologies, thought I was quick enough to make another point) > Sure. But it's not like he wants it for personal consumption. You gotta ask what is "reason why" is. What is he after? And I'd say it's something like a better nervous system for the human species as such. My reading is he wanted Twitter because it's an influential, chronically under performing platform that he enjoys using. It'll give him incredible power to shape narratives and impact how many get information. Respectfully: Elon is not a saint, and taking him at face value has never been worthwhile.
- optimiz3 4y ago
  > under $18/hour. Citation? AFAIK All employees get stock and the ESPP lets them also buy at the lowest price per quarter, which given the volatility is a huge boon.
jmprspret 4y ago
Is this sarcasm? Please tell me it is.
- duxup 4y ago
  Poe's Law is rough with Elon. He has a lot of fans.
duxup 4y ago
Leadership at a company I worked for used to tout how much they worked. They had enormous offices, a lounge, a bar, food (and just about everything) brought to them on demand, hired all their friends to work with them, had drivers if they wanted, secretaries who took care of personal tasks, flew first class... paid a ton. I had a tiny cube that was falling apart under an ever blowing air vent, next to a way tpo small walk way (everyone walking by couldn't help but bump my cube / look directly in it). Must be rough for those guys to work all those hours... /s
- _ph_ 4y ago
  And of course the asymmetry between being the CEO of the company, where you sit only in the meetings of your choice and where everyone tries to make you happy vs. having to sit in meetings any manager in your chain scheduled and expects you to make him/her happy. In general, there is a huge difference between working many hours when you can decide on a whim what to work on vs. having to work many hours on something you have been put on. When working on things I decide to work on, I often have put in enormous amounts of hours, but that cannot be compared with the typical paid work. (I am quite lucky to have a job with relative freedom, but the more I notice it, when there are projects which limit this freedom)
  - duxup 4y ago
    Yup. I work for a small company now. The "extra" time I put in is stuff I WANT to do. It's so much more fun / easier to work extra on the thing I want to do, especially when it is optional as it is for me now. Optional and what I want = energy to do it.
bfgoodrich 4y ago
rurp 4y ago
I mean, sure, as long as you replace "factory" with "mansion".

invalidusernam3 4y ago

He spends a lot of time posting memes on twitter for someone who supposedly lives in the factory.

dangrossman 4y ago

He's getting paid $18 million dollars per day to pretend he lives in the factories, doing none of the dangerous and backbreaking manual work most of the people in the building are doing for under $18/hour. I'm sure they're super inspired.

pionar 4y ago
Yeah, exactly. When I worked in a factory, the execs "working with us" were just in the way to get their monthly photo ops.
oneoff786 4y ago
It probably would be relatively inspiring to have your CEO in the factory and not in his top floor c suite in a fancy suit using the only clean toilets that the whole building has to offer.
- dangrossman 4y ago
  According to the factory workers, it's terrifying. He's known for walking around the factory rage firing employees at random. I think they'd prefer he be anywhere else. > "Employees knew about such rampages. Sometimes Musk would terminate people; other times he would simply intimidate them. One manager had a name for these outbursts—Elon’s rage firings—and had forbidden subordinates from walking too close to Musk’s desk at the Gigafactory out of concern that a chance encounter, an unexpected question answered incorrectly, might endanger a career." https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-gigafactory/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-giga... https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-reportedly-terrified-tesla-staff-with-his-firing-sprees-2018-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-reportedly-terrifi...
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    Sounds shitty
    - Supermancho 4y ago
      > "Employees knew about such rampages. Sometimes Musk would terminate people; other times he would simply intimidate them. One manager had a name for these outbursts—Elon’s rage firings Sounds like same ol' behavior as the narcissistic Ballmer and Jobs. Being perceived as "dangerous" is part of being an alpha male, but it goes too far when you get to the top, it seems.
- notfromhere 4y ago
  Nah. Having factory staff interact with the CEO would create a lot of stress for said factory staff, plus Musk is known for going into a rage and firing people.
Consultant32452 4y ago
It would be interesting to see data on which companies have the best recruitment (most applicants for similar roles). My hunch is Tesla beats most others.
- Planktonne 4y ago
  > best recruitment (most applicants for similar roles) I don't think 'number of applicants' is a good way of measuring 'best recruitment', or that 'best recruitment' is a meaningful counter when talking about conditions of people currently employed there.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    Maybe your subjective opinion about the working conditions is not universally held. Recruitment data would remove individual bias in favor of the collective bias of the actual workers, which is what's most important in my opinion
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - Planktonne 4y ago
      Recruitment data will tell you about the applicants, not the workers. They're opinions will necessarily be far less informed than the workers'.
leobg 4y ago
Right. All that guy cares about is money, so he can sleaze off at his yacht, surround himself with supermodels and be photographed with world leaders. End of sarcasm. It’s not like Elon needs more money to afford a bigger house or something. The the things he wants are things that, as of now, no amount of money can buy. He is, like everybody, motivated by a desire to overcome limitations. But the limitations he perceives are likely very different from yours.
- ctvo 4y ago
  > Right. All that guy cares about is money, so he can sleaze off at his yacht, surround himself with supermodels and be photographed with world leaders. Elon dated Amber Heard. It was revealed in a trial that he donated 1 million USD on her behalf to charities of her choice, we presume to impress her during their courtship. > It’s not like Elon needs more money to afford a bigger house or something. The the things he wants are things that, as of now, no amount of money can buy. He wanted Twitter, which had a very specific price tag (44 billion USD), and his wealth allowed him to purchase it. There are plenty of examples where additional wealth has benefited Elon.
  - leobg 4y ago
    Sure. But it's not like he wants it for personal consumption. You gotta ask what is "reason why" is. What is he after? And I'd say it's something like a better nervous system for the human species as such. I'd say it's a world in which ideas can compete with one another based on merit. And that, again, is something money cannot buy today. Just like an electric car with 500 horsepower and 400 miles of range wasn't something you could buy back in 2008.
    - ctvo 4y ago
      (I edited my post before your reply -- apologies, thought I was quick enough to make another point) > Sure. But it's not like he wants it for personal consumption. You gotta ask what is "reason why" is. What is he after? And I'd say it's something like a better nervous system for the human species as such. My reading is he wanted Twitter because it's an influential, chronically under performing platform that he enjoys using. It'll give him incredible power to shape narratives and impact how many get information. Respectfully: Elon is not a saint, and taking him at face value has never been worthwhile.
optimiz3 4y ago
> under $18/hour. Citation? AFAIK All employees get stock and the ESPP lets them also buy at the lowest price per quarter, which given the volatility is a huge boon.

jmprspret 4y ago

Is this sarcasm? Please tell me it is.

duxup 4y ago
Poe's Law is rough with Elon. He has a lot of fans.

duxup 4y ago

Leadership at a company I worked for used to tout how much they worked. They had enormous offices, a lounge, a bar, food (and just about everything) brought to them on demand, hired all their friends to work with them, had drivers if they wanted, secretaries who took care of personal tasks, flew first class... paid a ton. I had a tiny cube that was falling apart under an ever blowing air vent, next to a way tpo small walk way (everyone walking by couldn't help but bump my cube / look directly in it). Must be rough for those guys to work all those hours... /s

_ph_ 4y ago
And of course the asymmetry between being the CEO of the company, where you sit only in the meetings of your choice and where everyone tries to make you happy vs. having to sit in meetings any manager in your chain scheduled and expects you to make him/her happy. In general, there is a huge difference between working many hours when you can decide on a whim what to work on vs. having to work many hours on something you have been put on. When working on things I decide to work on, I often have put in enormous amounts of hours, but that cannot be compared with the typical paid work. (I am quite lucky to have a job with relative freedom, but the more I notice it, when there are projects which limit this freedom)
- duxup 4y ago
  Yup. I work for a small company now. The "extra" time I put in is stuff I WANT to do. It's so much more fun / easier to work extra on the thing I want to do, especially when it is optional as it is for me now. Optional and what I want = energy to do it.

bfgoodrich 4y ago

rurp 4y ago

I mean, sure, as long as you replace "factory" with "mansion".