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From the email you can quickly work out that he intends this to apply to everyone. He would not ask for exceptions to be routed to him if he meant this just to

by sulam 4y ago

From the email you can quickly work out that he intends this to apply to everyone. He would not ask for exceptions to be routed to him if he meant this just to apply to his direct staff.

imgabe 4y ago
Many of the workers have to be there because it is physically impossible to do their jobs if they aren't. The rest have to support, manage, or otherwise interact with the people who need to physically be there, and the most efficient way to do that is if they are also there.
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  I imagine the design, AI, software and technical operations etc workforce is fairly large. Likewise their accounting groups etc. I.e., the segments of every other company that are rebelling against coming in. None of these are working with the line workers. Just like Amazon, most of the employees work in Whole Foods or fulfillment centers. But the professional staff in software engineering etc don’t have to be in the office to do their work. Even if their software impacts the fulfillment center they likely have never set foot in one.
  - imgabe 4y ago
    If you're designing a car, are you not ever going to go down to the production line to see how your design worked out? If there's an issue with your design and you need to rearrange it to accommodate some production limitation, do you think it might be helpful to be able to walk down to the factory floor and look at it first hand? There's tons of companies where you can do all the work remotely. If that's a high priority, don't work at Tesla. When you need to make physical products, it's helpful to be at the place where the physical product are being made, because they don't just exist entirely in your code editor.
    - hooande 4y ago
      Cars also involve software, design, marketing materials. None of those things require physical presence any more than those jobs did when they were remote during the pandemic. Many of those roles were successfully performed remotely before and after the pandemic. If people really want to work for any company non-remote, then they will. That doesn't mean that banning remote work is popular or necessary.
    - boardwaalk 4y ago
      I feel like you didn't read what they said. There's a ton of things in any large corporation that need to be handled that need software or corporate admin work. Inventory management, logistics, people management software, end user servicing management, Tesla.com, general IT work, HR work, etc. I could go on and on. Even as close to something like working on the UI for a vehicle -- I would assume they have the ability to run that in an emulator, in a desktop test bed, or even as a developer build in their personal car. And it's going to faster for most work to work that way (perhaps other than integration with a new model). Also, I don't think most people are saying "never" with respect to going into the office. It's Tesla's CEO that's saying "never" to remote work.
    - RomeFanatic 4y ago
      Not sure what are you so angry about. All of these jobs were done remotely during pandemic and out of sudden they just can't. This has zero logic to it. And is all about someone being emotional control freak.
      - imgabe 4y ago
        I'm not angry about anything. Lots of things were done sub-optimally during the pandemic due to the circumstances. That doesn't mean we shouldn't go back to doing them a way that works better now that we can.
        hackernewds 4y ago
        Would argue quite the opposite. Technology companies, TSLA standing out, have done exceptionally well. In fact having the pandemic as a tailwind instead showing they're able to adapt and capitalize on technology to be even further productive.
dfc 4y ago
He specifically points out that this requirement is less than what is asked of factory workers. How can it apply to everyone if everyone necessarily includes factory workers? Also if it was intended for everyone why was it only addressed to the "ExecStaff" list?
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  I think the ExecStaff part was for dissemination - the 'routing' part doesn't make sense if this is limited to his direct reports
  - dfc 4y ago
    What is the "routing part"?
    - bravetraveler 4y ago
      This snippet 'If there are particularly exceptional contributors ... I will review and approve those exceptions directly'

by sulam 4y ago

From the email you can quickly work out that he intends this to apply to everyone. He would not ask for exceptions to be routed to him if he meant this just to apply to his direct staff.

imgabe 4y ago

Many of the workers have to be there because it is physically impossible to do their jobs if they aren't. The rest have to support, manage, or otherwise interact with the people who need to physically be there, and the most efficient way to do that is if they are also there.

fnordpiglet 4y ago
I imagine the design, AI, software and technical operations etc workforce is fairly large. Likewise their accounting groups etc. I.e., the segments of every other company that are rebelling against coming in. None of these are working with the line workers. Just like Amazon, most of the employees work in Whole Foods or fulfillment centers. But the professional staff in software engineering etc don’t have to be in the office to do their work. Even if their software impacts the fulfillment center they likely have never set foot in one.
- imgabe 4y ago
  If you're designing a car, are you not ever going to go down to the production line to see how your design worked out? If there's an issue with your design and you need to rearrange it to accommodate some production limitation, do you think it might be helpful to be able to walk down to the factory floor and look at it first hand? There's tons of companies where you can do all the work remotely. If that's a high priority, don't work at Tesla. When you need to make physical products, it's helpful to be at the place where the physical product are being made, because they don't just exist entirely in your code editor.
  - hooande 4y ago
    Cars also involve software, design, marketing materials. None of those things require physical presence any more than those jobs did when they were remote during the pandemic. Many of those roles were successfully performed remotely before and after the pandemic. If people really want to work for any company non-remote, then they will. That doesn't mean that banning remote work is popular or necessary.
  - boardwaalk 4y ago
    I feel like you didn't read what they said. There's a ton of things in any large corporation that need to be handled that need software or corporate admin work. Inventory management, logistics, people management software, end user servicing management, Tesla.com, general IT work, HR work, etc. I could go on and on. Even as close to something like working on the UI for a vehicle -- I would assume they have the ability to run that in an emulator, in a desktop test bed, or even as a developer build in their personal car. And it's going to faster for most work to work that way (perhaps other than integration with a new model). Also, I don't think most people are saying "never" with respect to going into the office. It's Tesla's CEO that's saying "never" to remote work.
  - RomeFanatic 4y ago
    Not sure what are you so angry about. All of these jobs were done remotely during pandemic and out of sudden they just can't. This has zero logic to it. And is all about someone being emotional control freak.
    - imgabe 4y ago
      I'm not angry about anything. Lots of things were done sub-optimally during the pandemic due to the circumstances. That doesn't mean we shouldn't go back to doing them a way that works better now that we can.
      - hackernewds 4y ago
        Would argue quite the opposite. Technology companies, TSLA standing out, have done exceptionally well. In fact having the pandemic as a tailwind instead showing they're able to adapt and capitalize on technology to be even further productive.

dfc 4y ago

He specifically points out that this requirement is less than what is asked of factory workers. How can it apply to everyone if everyone necessarily includes factory workers? Also if it was intended for everyone why was it only addressed to the "ExecStaff" list?

bravetraveler 4y ago
I think the ExecStaff part was for dissemination - the 'routing' part doesn't make sense if this is limited to his direct reports
- dfc 4y ago
  What is the "routing part"?
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    This snippet 'If there are particularly exceptional contributors ... I will review and approve those exceptions directly'