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I honestly cannot believe that a person that uses both Windows and Mac frequently in 2022 would choose Mac if they had to choose a single platform. Not even a d
by iLoveOncall 4y ago
I honestly cannot believe that a person that uses both Windows and Mac frequently in 2022 would choose Mac if they had to choose a single platform. Not even a developer.
MacOS is a masterclass in bad design and lackluster features.
I always considered buying a Mac but was always hesitant to change. Once I got one for work I swore to never ever spend a dime on a Mac.
People that will disagree haven't used Windows in years.
- bzzzt 4y agoOne mans lackluster features is another mans streamlined interface. MacOS at least goes out of your way most of the time. Windows interrupts you regularly for stuff that's not important to whatever you're doing. Combined with third-party applications that are noisy as heck to make sure you don't forget you bought/installed them (especially AV scanners, but it seems like every app wants a place in your system tray and has it's own updater and wants your attention when it updates). But if Windows does what you need and doesn't cause you friction just use it instead of crapping on macOS.
- Lapsa 4y agonot like my opinion matters much, but I feel that Apple's stuff was great in year 2010. not so much nowadays. I don't know what would be a reason to favor macOS over Linux
- landmass 4y agoWhen it it runs, Linux is great, but when something breaks fixing it can be labor intensive. When something on Mac stops working a call to Mac support will usually fix it in a couple of hours. That said, I agree with your 2010 estimate of Mac software peaking in 2010. Mac laptop hardware is still better than Linux laptop hardware. As someone who's considering my first Linux laptop, I need to balance the inconveniences of Linux hardware now with the likely fact I can probably use that laptop significantly longer than current Mac. Somebody has to pay for all those convenient Mac support folks.
- hollandheese 4y ago>Mac laptop hardware is still better than Linux laptop hardware. As someone who's considering my first Linux laptop, I need to balance the inconveniences of Linux hardware now with the likely fact I can probably use that laptop significantly longer than current Mac. Somebody has to pay for all those convenient Mac support folks. The funny thing about that is that it's only with the Apple Silicon Macs that's true. The 2016-2020 Intel MacBooks were a garbage fire.
- kaba0 4y agoThe goddamn last intel MacBook Pro manages to legit burn my hand if I don’t use a program that forces the vents on.. Like sure, I do hate the sound of a vent but when I am actively using a laptop for writing or something and it is scorching hot then please choose the annoying noise over boiling my skin. Though I feel these things are more like Apple assuming that an intel proc is the same as an M1 that hardly heats up.
- iLoveOncall 4y ago> Windows interrupts you regularly for stuff that's not important to whatever you're doing. It has literally never happened to me. However it happens weekly on Mac, where I will lose the focus of my window and be prompted for an update.
- dmitriid 4y ago> where I will lose the focus of my window and be prompted for an update. That you can disable in System Preferences. On Windows Home, for example, updates cannot be disabled, and the OS will install them even if this means ruining everything you're doing.
- cassianoleal 4y agomacOS updates are notified using the native notification subsystem. It's inobtrusive and definitely does not take the focus away from app windows.
- arprocter 4y agoI discovered recently you can set notifications on macOS to 'do not disturb' System Preferences -> Notifications -> Do Not Disturb I set Turn On Do Not Disturb 'from 12:01AM to 11:59PM'
- bmitc 4y ago> One mans lackluster features is another mans streamlined interface. MacOS at least goes out of your way most of the time. That is really just not true. I don't even think one could consider it an opinion. Irregardless of what Windows does, macOS constantly gets in your way. Try to rename iTunes, because that's the only way to keep it from opening every time you connect your non-Apple Bluetooth headphones (there's a convoluted procedure to do so). Try to control the brightness or volume of an external monitor. You cannot. Even the monitor itself isn't as good as it is on Windows due to poor resolution and text handling on macOS, and a Macbook Pro with a discrete video card struggles to drive the monitor. External mice and keyboards are touch and go with macOS and reset settings nearly on a daily basis for me. Developer tools, such as asdf or others installed from Homebrew are incredibly finicky and often require workarounds depending on whatever macOS version you're on and whatever thing it decided to break. (For example, it's actually easier to get Erlang's observer running on WSL on Windows with the GUI interface than it is on macOS, which requires all sorts of hacks in Homebrew.) I don't know why Apple doesn't get the same hate as Windows, because my Macbook Pro constantly installs stuff all on its own. I get pinged by several apps to update through their own update mechanism on macOS.
- choko 4y agoThe auto-launching of itunes when I get off a call using my Bluetooth headset is super annoying! If it weren't for the CLI Mac would be worthless for development. The only reason I have one is for work, and only because I'm not allowed to use my own hardware (which would be a laptop with debian).
- bmitc 4y agoYou can get rid of iTunes launching by renaming it. If I recall correctly, there are a bunch of possible workarounds but that's the one that definitely works if you don't care about iTunes. But it required getting IT approval for upgraded permissions and then a whole reboot into safe mode and change the name procedure using some setting or shell command (something like that). I think it was like two or three reboots to change the name of the iTunes application, but I don't recall the exact procedure. My CLI do you mean the Unix-like underlying system (like through Terminal, zsh, bash, etc.)? I enjoy WSL on Windows more because it's actually Linux and usually just works. The only trouble I have there sometimes is network related activities, as is usual for VM-like setups.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago>Windows interrupts you regularly for stuff that's not important to whatever you're doing. Really not my current experience and I use W10 daily at work and W11 at home. Not saying it's a good OS, just saying that your statement is plain wrong. If certain (third party) apps are annoying then you can control notifications through the focus assist setting just like with any mobile OS.
- phendrenad2 4y agoExactly. The only "interruptions" I get on my Windows machine are from my AV, and the lower-right-corner popup alerts don't steal focus from my current window.
- 10x-dev 4y agoBased on this one comment, I think you should learn to disambiguate between facts and your subjective opinion. We all have our preferences, obviously, but to assert that MacOS UI is 'a masterclass in bad design and lackluster features' is a grandiose exaggeration stated as fact.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoI'm pretty sure the finder lacking basic features such as cut-paste or copying the path to the current folder is a fact. The finder alone would be enough to justify my statement, but it's just a small part of the numerous issues of MacOS. The dock leaving empty space on 50% of the width of your monitor is also a fact. Or having to run a weird command in the CLI to add an empty space as separator in the dock. Or having no "Apply to all displays" when changing background images on monitors. That's just 30 seconds out of the top of my head.
- lproven 4y agoTry to bear in mind that while there is nothing wrong with wanting what you want, others may not share your desires. I've been using Macs since 1988 and I've never wanted your point 1, 3, or 4, and my dock doesn't take 50% of the width of the screen, it takes about 5% of it because it's on the side where it belongs and where it was on NeXTstep. So none of this has ever applied to me, and TBH, I can't even imagine it applying to me.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoDid you miss the part where I say that you shouldn't bother commenting if you aren't using Windows frequently? You just don't know how bad you have it, that's it. But sure, MacOS is great, go back to installing a 3rd party software to snap windows xD
- kcartlidge 4y ago(I use Windows 10 and MacOS on M1 daily, Linux Mint almost as often) Linux wins for dev and loses for apps. Windows wins for apps and loses for dev. Mac is second-best at both which is why I prefer it. That said, I'd love to be running production-ready Mint on my M1 Air. Edit: I forgot to say, and it's the reason I responded to you in the first place, that I agree. It's really sad that something like Rectangle has to exist just to get decent window handling.
- unsupp0rted 4y agoIf millions of professionals are doing a thing a certain way, either they're all wrong and crazy or there's something I'm missing. It's a Chesterton's Fence situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton's_fence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton's_fence
- iLoveOncall 4y agoIt's not. The reasoning behind the popularity of MacOS is very well understood: marketing.
- unsupp0rted 4y agoIf it were marketing, then I could leave MacOS for Windows or Linux. I cannot (without making my work harder for no net gain).
- dmitriid 4y agoWhat amazes me is that people who pride themselves on being smart when faced with Apple always resort to the laziest and most stupid of explanations for Apple's popularity: "marketing". While marketing does play a bog role, it is still rooted in the reality: Apple makes good products (that are often leagues better than the competition in several areas), and as a whole the experience of using Apple products is better for a significant number of people.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoWhat amazes me is that Mac fanatics never have any factual argument as to why it would be better than Windows. All I hear are attributes that are supposed to be better (spoiler, they're not), but always without a single concrete example.
- dmitriid 4y ago> What amazes me is that Mac fanatics never have any factual argument First, stop calling people fanatics. And then, and only then, you will hear all the factual arguments.
- ttGpN5Nde3pK 4y ago> Once I got one for work I swore to never ever spend a dime on a Mac +9999999. I wish they'd just sell hardware and keep the OS.
- tootie 4y agoI literally only choose Mac because I'm a developer. Why? Because it is physically impossible to build and test iOS apps or run Safari without one. So long as a huge percentage of our users are on iPhone, we are obligated via Apple's relentless vertical integration to buy macs.
- iLoveOncall 4y agoSo, you don't CHOOSE Mac. You have to use it. That's different and it joins my point. Nobody would choose Mac.
- bmitc 4y agoI fully agree. Other than Preview, there's absolutely nothing about macOS that I miss when I'm not using it, and I used to be a so-called "Mac" person. It's just a collection of compromises between a high-level OS and a Linux-like and a desktop OS and iOS. It is a massive pain, even with Homebrew, to get a development environment that just works and continues to just work. Every macOS update is a game of Russian roulette. On Windows, my development environment is seamless. With WSL, I get an actual Linux distribution. And to be honest, Windows just has a lot less friction than macOS these days. You don't have to jump through all sorts of hoops to actually use your computer. One example of the inanity of macOS and Apple is that in using an external monitor, macOS or the Macbook Pro is incapable of adjusting the brightness and even volume (!) of the external monitor. It's not that the keys don't work. It's that you just simply cannot do it even from the OS. It's absolutely insane people consider Apple the more simple solution. And oh yea, basically every day, my mouse and keyboard settings change or reset or stop working. The exact same setup works flawlessly with my home Windows 11 PC. I setup things, and they stay that way. Updates do not break my computer or reset settings. Applications work. And Windows 11, for whatever reason, does not hog as much RAM as macOS does.
- kitsunesoba 4y agoAs a dev, if I had to choose a single platform it would never be Windows. It’s fine as the OS that I use to play games or occasionally poke at a hobby project in Visual Studio (full fat version, not VS Code) with, but the moment I start trying to use it for actual work it starts driving me insane. It has just as many papercuts as desktop Linux does, just in different places and with far less flexibility to fix any of them. Like yeah, Linux has some legit annoyances but at least I could fix them either by installing a different package or writing something of my own if it’s bothering me badly enough. I certainly wouldn’t choose Windows over macOS. Among macOS, Windows, and Linux, easily Windows is the one that gets booted out. > People that will disagree haven't used Windows in years. Nah, I have a Ryzen 5950X/3080ti tower running Windows 11 (and formerly 10). It gets used at least every other day. I’m plenty familiar with Windows, and it still drives me crazy when using it for anything more than a fancy game console.
- Jcowell 4y agoI have a L shaped setup. My Windows with two monitors on one side, my M1 Mac Mini with an Ultra-wide and mini monitor on the other. I prefer my Mac for Developing every time. It’s a far faster workflow , the trackpad feels amazing, and the ability add my iPad as a third monitor or a side screen via Universal Control is undefeated. I have the Touch ID Keyboard making sign in seamless (and that’s if my Apple Watch doesn’t unlock if first). Everything is fast, smooth, and if I move away from the screen but want to keep looking at what I’m doing (like reading documentation) I can take my iPad and use either Handoff or iCloud tabs to keep it going. If I deviate from my iPad or go somewhere new and want to continue that process, I can airdrop the page to my Mac or use the aforementioned features to do the same. This isn’t even touching document previewing in files but just pressing the spacebar , opening any PDF file in Preview, viewing my synced Notes, calendar, and Mail in the native apps and be assured they’ll show up on my other Apple Devices . All of these things add up to a calm seamless workflow when I develop or do anything on my Mac. All without having to download a single thing. On windows I have to rely on third party services to replicate the same. Added friction that I just don’t have to deal With Mac . It just works (for me). The only edge my windows has over my Mac is gaming (which isn’t an issue for me issue that’s what having a windows machine is for and I prefer having a dedicated machine for that) and windows snapping that I solved using Magnet from the App Store that ensures it’s sandboxes and not collecting data per the App Privacy Page.
- Bright_Machine 4y agoI thought I was the only crazy person who hated Mac OS. Finder is the worst file manager I've ever used. Mac's notification UX is a fucking mess. Not to mention users cannot uninstall pre-installed bloatwares. User account to download from app store? Why the hell should I give an email address and phone number to download apps and SDKs for developement? Also let's not forget that Mac OS sends hash of the application to mothership each time you start it. Unless it sends the hash and verifies it you cannot open the app. I really doubt if it is my computer. Excluding system apps from the VPN? No, thanks.