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Expensive housing did not cause the person in the article to decide to move to California with no job and no money. Some people just can't be helped and they th

Expensive housing did not cause the person in the article to decide to move to California with no job and no money. Some people just can't be helped and they think their disruptive behavior should be tolerated by society.

mcbishop 4y ago
My uncle recently talked with a homeless person... learned that his dad killed his mom when he was a child. I don't know how challenging it'd be to be a healthy contributing member of society with this sort of background. It's not always just laziness.
- copperx 4y ago
  Is it ever laziness? I think that the myth of the lazy bum is just that, a myth.
  - Avicebron 4y ago
    rip, am lazy bum
  - supernovae 4y ago
    i volunteer with homeless weekly and my wife runs a homeless support facility where they try and help people get benefits such as social security, recover IDs and get food stamps and such. most “work” a lot flying signs out in the heat to make a few bucks, some drink it all away.. some use it to try and get the hell out of town. some are just so into survival mode they don’t know any better but what i find the most interesting is how most are just nice people. you wouldn’t know that by reading this thread. most homeless people just want to talk, share their stories and have a friend. They’re tired of being arrested for sleeping. They’re tired of their stuff being stolen - a lot of their mental issues stem from lack of sleep and filling that void with drugs and booze.. it’s unfortunate how people get treated and this thread is no exception to people perpetuating their high and mighty views of a world they know nothing about - merely to protect their world view that dehumanizes these people. if being without a home is decriminalized and we work to build systems that support these people they wouldn’t be under bridges and in parks.. they sometimes get pushed into camps but those camps rarely give glimpses of hope and service but rather make them feel like outcasts. and everyone is a NIMBY when it comes to this - the OP being no exception to it. They don’t care about people, they care about appearances and property values and thus nothing will ever change or happen.
    - mcbishop 4y ago
      > what i find the most interesting is how most are just nice people. This is my experience too. Which is a testament to the human spirit, given how shunned they are. > a lot of their mental issues stem from lack of sleep I lose it after a few nights of bad sleep in my comfy bed, in my warm secure bedroom. I'd be such a wreck on the cold hard concrete.
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- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  There's an interesting Ted talk about an effort to reduce the number of people on death row in Texas. Turns out the cheapest and simplest way is to support them as children so they never commit the crime in the first place. Has the benefit of the crime not happening too. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_r_dow_lessons_from_death_row_inmates?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/david_r_dow_lessons_from_death_row... His example is someone who's mother tried to kill him. > And I said to him, "I know the story. I've read the records. I know that she tried to kill you." I said, "But I've always wondered whether you really actually remember that." I said, "I don't remember anything from when I was five years old. Maybe you just remember somebody telling you." 16:46 > And he looked at me and he leaned forward, and he said, "Professor," -- he'd known me for 12 years, he still called me Professor. He said, "Professor, I don't mean any disrespect by this, but when your mama picks up a butcher knife that looks bigger than you are, and chases you through the house screaming she's going to kill you, and you have to lock yourself in the bathroom and lean against the door and holler for help until the police get there," he looked at me and he said, "that's something you don't forget."
supernovae 4y ago
There is no law that says you need a job and money to move to California so qualifying it like this is absurd. People still have freedom without proof of income. everyone can be helped, you just don’t want to be bothered. Some people need professional help but again, why start the discussion off with jobs and money when those people with severe mental issues probably don’t have either? what’s interesting is they views your behavior as disruptive. Go watch a hobo or homeless youtube channel and they will describe you to the T - slave to wages, kids with problems and bills and credit card statements to look forward to but instead of breaking fee of that we do more to protect it. ahh well.. i’ll never change your mind.. but you can go change it yourself by volunteering and fining things out first hand instead of assuming.
- ceeplusplus 4y ago
  It's common courtesy to your fellow citizens to not move to a place just to become homeless because you intentionally moved without a job lined up or money saved. > they views your behavior as disruptive That's great, but they are not the majority and I and many others will continue to vote for policies and politicians that remove people like them from our cities. For example, many cities in SoCal empower their police to actively remove homeless. I have a feeling the 2022 election will only strengthen these initiatives. > slave to wages Some of us actually enjoy our jobs - what a concept!

mcbishop 4y ago

My uncle recently talked with a homeless person... learned that his dad killed his mom when he was a child. I don't know how challenging it'd be to be a healthy contributing member of society with this sort of background. It's not always just laziness.

copperx 4y ago
Is it ever laziness? I think that the myth of the lazy bum is just that, a myth.
- Avicebron 4y ago
  rip, am lazy bum
- supernovae 4y ago
  i volunteer with homeless weekly and my wife runs a homeless support facility where they try and help people get benefits such as social security, recover IDs and get food stamps and such. most “work” a lot flying signs out in the heat to make a few bucks, some drink it all away.. some use it to try and get the hell out of town. some are just so into survival mode they don’t know any better but what i find the most interesting is how most are just nice people. you wouldn’t know that by reading this thread. most homeless people just want to talk, share their stories and have a friend. They’re tired of being arrested for sleeping. They’re tired of their stuff being stolen - a lot of their mental issues stem from lack of sleep and filling that void with drugs and booze.. it’s unfortunate how people get treated and this thread is no exception to people perpetuating their high and mighty views of a world they know nothing about - merely to protect their world view that dehumanizes these people. if being without a home is decriminalized and we work to build systems that support these people they wouldn’t be under bridges and in parks.. they sometimes get pushed into camps but those camps rarely give glimpses of hope and service but rather make them feel like outcasts. and everyone is a NIMBY when it comes to this - the OP being no exception to it. They don’t care about people, they care about appearances and property values and thus nothing will ever change or happen.
  - mcbishop 4y ago
    > what i find the most interesting is how most are just nice people. This is my experience too. Which is a testament to the human spirit, given how shunned they are. > a lot of their mental issues stem from lack of sleep I lose it after a few nights of bad sleep in my comfy bed, in my warm secure bedroom. I'd be such a wreck on the cold hard concrete.
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ZeroGravitas 4y ago
There's an interesting Ted talk about an effort to reduce the number of people on death row in Texas. Turns out the cheapest and simplest way is to support them as children so they never commit the crime in the first place. Has the benefit of the crime not happening too. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_r_dow_lessons_from_death_row_inmates?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/david_r_dow_lessons_from_death_row... His example is someone who's mother tried to kill him. > And I said to him, "I know the story. I've read the records. I know that she tried to kill you." I said, "But I've always wondered whether you really actually remember that." I said, "I don't remember anything from when I was five years old. Maybe you just remember somebody telling you." 16:46 > And he looked at me and he leaned forward, and he said, "Professor," -- he'd known me for 12 years, he still called me Professor. He said, "Professor, I don't mean any disrespect by this, but when your mama picks up a butcher knife that looks bigger than you are, and chases you through the house screaming she's going to kill you, and you have to lock yourself in the bathroom and lean against the door and holler for help until the police get there," he looked at me and he said, "that's something you don't forget."

supernovae 4y ago

There is no law that says you need a job and money to move to California so qualifying it like this is absurd. People still have freedom without proof of income. everyone can be helped, you just don’t want to be bothered. Some people need professional help but again, why start the discussion off with jobs and money when those people with severe mental issues probably don’t have either? what’s interesting is they views your behavior as disruptive. Go watch a hobo or homeless youtube channel and they will describe you to the T - slave to wages, kids with problems and bills and credit card statements to look forward to but instead of breaking fee of that we do more to protect it. ahh well.. i’ll never change your mind.. but you can go change it yourself by volunteering and fining things out first hand instead of assuming.

ceeplusplus 4y ago
It's common courtesy to your fellow citizens to not move to a place just to become homeless because you intentionally moved without a job lined up or money saved. > they views your behavior as disruptive That's great, but they are not the majority and I and many others will continue to vote for policies and politicians that remove people like them from our cities. For example, many cities in SoCal empower their police to actively remove homeless. I have a feeling the 2022 election will only strengthen these initiatives. > slave to wages Some of us actually enjoy our jobs - what a concept!