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Did you know that children in daycare have almost a 100% chance of contracting RSV within the first year of attendance (even pre-pandemic)?

by choko 4y ago

carlivar 4y ago
No, but that doesn't surprise me. So if daycare is inevitable, the child needs to go in "armed" with antibodies (including from the mother during pregnancy). Should pregnant women isolate? Does not seem like it. Our family dog probably does a good job diversifying antibodies as well (I think there are studies showing the immunity advantages certain pets provide).
- chinathrow 4y ago
  > No, but that doesn't surprise me. So if daycare is inevitable, the child needs to go in "armed" with antibodies (including from the mother during pregnancy). Not sure how this works. Where to you get "armed" with antibodies if not from a vaccination (unavailable for some viruses) or prior infection? Antibodies from the mother vane over time as far as I recall.
  - carlivar 4y ago
    From the article here: "And babies born during the pandemic may have entered the world with few antibodies passed on by their mothers in the womb, because those mothers may have been sheltered from RSV and other respiratory pathogens during their pregnancies, said Hubert Niesters, a professor of clinical virology and molecular diagnostics at the University Medical Center, in Groningen, the Netherlands."
    - graeme 4y ago
      Those antibodies are transient. Baby doesn’t produce them itself, they just protect it while nursing. Nursing ends well before preschool
      - carlivar 4y ago
        Daycare does not end before nursing. And I'm not so sure about preschool either... perhaps you haven't lived in some, er, "crunchier" areas.
        graeme 4y ago
        I was incorrect, it isn’t through nursing. The antibodies last about a year https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/how-long-do-babies-carry-their-mothers-immunity/ https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/...
  - treis 4y ago
    There's also a bit of herd immunity for the new kids. Kids that have lots of prior exposure to a virus are less likely to bring it to daycare if they're exposed outside daycare. Also less likely to be a link in the infection chain for intra daycare spread.
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  Pets. More family members. Even natural birth shows gut / immune positives over C Section.
nmfisher 4y ago
I've been tussling with my wife about putting our kid into daycare when he's 6 months old. I feel it's way too early, partly due to concerns about contracting a virus (though from the perspective that it would cause more hassle for us, rather than concerns about him getting sick per se, which I figure is inevitable). That being said, I hadn't even thought that RSV would be a bigger problem due to the pandemic.
- leetrout 4y ago
  Its a real concern. Kids going in to daycare will be sick a ton based all the anecdata. It SUCKS having to keep paying $250+ a week to keep them home while you or a partner are missing work on top of it.
  - semi-extrinsic 4y ago
    Solution: move somewhere else where workers are not treated as cattle by big corporations. Like, say, anywhere in Europe. Seriously, we pay $380 per month for childcare and each parent gets 20 days of paid your-child-is-sick leave, on top of the 20 days of regular sick leave and mandatory 25 days of holidays each year. All of the above is according to law and applies to everyone, whether you work in tech or you're the school janitor. I have never seen a hospital bill above $100, and I have a chronic autoimmune disease. With a population larger than Alabama we have never had a school shooting in the entire history of firearms. I can keep going like this, but you get the picture.
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    - google234123 4y ago
      You will get paid 1/2 to 1/8 as much as an software engineer in Europe.
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gnicholas 4y ago
We put our then 2-year-old in preschool last fall. Even though the whole classroom was supposedly masked (toddlers are not great at this, though our child is actually very consistent), she got RSV within a couple months. It cannot be avoided.
- jhugo 4y ago
  Are there any data on masks to prevent RSV? Even for Covid the data is pretty patchy, and anecdotally they don't seem to be highly effective, at least in actual use. Countries where mask usage has gone from very high to low in a short space of time have seen virtually no change to infection rates.

Did you know that children in daycare have almost a 100% chance of contracting RSV within the first year of attendance (even pre-pandemic)?

by choko 4y ago

Did you know that children in daycare have almost a 100% chance of contracting RSV within the first year of attendance (even pre-pandemic)?

carlivar 4y ago

No, but that doesn't surprise me. So if daycare is inevitable, the child needs to go in "armed" with antibodies (including from the mother during pregnancy). Should pregnant women isolate? Does not seem like it. Our family dog probably does a good job diversifying antibodies as well (I think there are studies showing the immunity advantages certain pets provide).

chinathrow 4y ago
> No, but that doesn't surprise me. So if daycare is inevitable, the child needs to go in "armed" with antibodies (including from the mother during pregnancy). Not sure how this works. Where to you get "armed" with antibodies if not from a vaccination (unavailable for some viruses) or prior infection? Antibodies from the mother vane over time as far as I recall.
- carlivar 4y ago
  From the article here: "And babies born during the pandemic may have entered the world with few antibodies passed on by their mothers in the womb, because those mothers may have been sheltered from RSV and other respiratory pathogens during their pregnancies, said Hubert Niesters, a professor of clinical virology and molecular diagnostics at the University Medical Center, in Groningen, the Netherlands."
  - graeme 4y ago
    Those antibodies are transient. Baby doesn’t produce them itself, they just protect it while nursing. Nursing ends well before preschool
    - carlivar 4y ago
      Daycare does not end before nursing. And I'm not so sure about preschool either... perhaps you haven't lived in some, er, "crunchier" areas.
      - graeme 4y ago
        I was incorrect, it isn’t through nursing. The antibodies last about a year https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/how-long-do-babies-carry-their-mothers-immunity/ https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/childrens-health/...
- treis 4y ago
  There's also a bit of herd immunity for the new kids. Kids that have lots of prior exposure to a virus are less likely to bring it to daycare if they're exposed outside daycare. Also less likely to be a link in the infection chain for intra daycare spread.
chiefalchemist 4y ago
Pets. More family members. Even natural birth shows gut / immune positives over C Section.

nmfisher 4y ago

I've been tussling with my wife about putting our kid into daycare when he's 6 months old. I feel it's way too early, partly due to concerns about contracting a virus (though from the perspective that it would cause more hassle for us, rather than concerns about him getting sick per se, which I figure is inevitable). That being said, I hadn't even thought that RSV would be a bigger problem due to the pandemic.

leetrout 4y ago
Its a real concern. Kids going in to daycare will be sick a ton based all the anecdata. It SUCKS having to keep paying $250+ a week to keep them home while you or a partner are missing work on top of it.
- semi-extrinsic 4y ago
  Solution: move somewhere else where workers are not treated as cattle by big corporations. Like, say, anywhere in Europe. Seriously, we pay $380 per month for childcare and each parent gets 20 days of paid your-child-is-sick leave, on top of the 20 days of regular sick leave and mandatory 25 days of holidays each year. All of the above is according to law and applies to everyone, whether you work in tech or you're the school janitor. I have never seen a hospital bill above $100, and I have a chronic autoimmune disease. With a population larger than Alabama we have never had a school shooting in the entire history of firearms. I can keep going like this, but you get the picture.
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  - google234123 4y ago
    You will get paid 1/2 to 1/8 as much as an software engineer in Europe.
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gnicholas 4y ago

We put our then 2-year-old in preschool last fall. Even though the whole classroom was supposedly masked (toddlers are not great at this, though our child is actually very consistent), she got RSV within a couple months. It cannot be avoided.

jhugo 4y ago
Are there any data on masks to prevent RSV? Even for Covid the data is pretty patchy, and anecdotally they don't seem to be highly effective, at least in actual use. Countries where mask usage has gone from very high to low in a short space of time have seen virtually no change to infection rates.