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"We'll be there soon" : Germany for 20 years Due to the gas issue with Russia Germany is planning to re-commission 15 coal plants, that's 10GW of capacity. 20

"We'll be there soon" : Germany for 20 years Due to the gas issue with Russia Germany is planning to re-commission 15 coal plants, that's 10GW of capacity. 20 years ago, Germany had roughly... 10GW of nuclear, now decommissioned. Source: https://www.montelnews.com/news/1323149/germany-may-allow-return-of-10-gw-capacity-in-gas-crunch https://www.montelnews.com/news/1323149/germany-may-allow-re... But again, let's repeat all together "lets overbuild renewable capacity, non-proved large scaled battery storage, a lot of smart-grid and some hydrogen storage". The biggest world hydrogen tank, the one used by the NASA, can power-up an average natural-gas station for roughly half a day. But hydrogen is the future for sure! Technosolusionism is actually one of the biggest problem we have. You want to solve this CO2 issue, first reduce your consumption by at least 80% to reach Paris Agreement. But don't worry, if we're not doing it by will, the laws of physics and thermodynamic will do it by force ;)

imtringued 4y ago
>But don't worry, if we're not doing it by will, the laws of physics and thermodynamic will do it by force ;) What? Humans are known to kill each other to avoid being the one on the losing side.
adrianN 4y ago
Well, the last twenty years or so a conservative German government did what it could to slow down the buildout of renewable energy. It's not very surprising that progress lagged behind optimistic assumptions.
elihu 4y ago
Reducing total energy consumption by 80% isn't going to happen short of a nuclear war or equivalent event. Even with fairly extreme energy conservation efforts, the total amount of electricity used is likely to go up as people switch to using electric vehicles for transportation. I think we need a lot more renewables and probably more nuclear too. Whatever it takes to not be burning coal and gas. (And there might be an argument in some cases for building gas plants to replace coal plants. But I'd rather than money and effort were spent on something better.) I don't see a realistic path forward for hydrogen, except maybe as fuel for aircraft. Batteries are good enough for most things, and a lot more efficient.

imtringued 4y ago

>But don't worry, if we're not doing it by will, the laws of physics and thermodynamic will do it by force ;) What? Humans are known to kill each other to avoid being the one on the losing side.

adrianN 4y ago

Well, the last twenty years or so a conservative German government did what it could to slow down the buildout of renewable energy. It's not very surprising that progress lagged behind optimistic assumptions.

elihu 4y ago

Reducing total energy consumption by 80% isn't going to happen short of a nuclear war or equivalent event. Even with fairly extreme energy conservation efforts, the total amount of electricity used is likely to go up as people switch to using electric vehicles for transportation. I think we need a lot more renewables and probably more nuclear too. Whatever it takes to not be burning coal and gas. (And there might be an argument in some cases for building gas plants to replace coal plants. But I'd rather than money and effort were spent on something better.) I don't see a realistic path forward for hydrogen, except maybe as fuel for aircraft. Batteries are good enough for most things, and a lot more efficient.