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Which would kill them and cause massive suffering, so... no? I don't understand how people can be both this cruel and want to propagate such a norm: What happen
by guerrilla 4y ago
Which would kill them and cause massive suffering, so... no? I don't understand how people can be both this cruel and want to propagate such a norm: What happens when it's your turn to starve outside the gate? This kind of rhetoric is _not_ in your self-interest. Nobody is immune to the potential to need to migrate.
- Victerius 4y ago> Nobody is immune to the potential to need to migrate. People in wealthy, food-secure countries are. (immune to the potential to need to migrate)
- pixl97 4y agoUntil the sea rises, or until it gets too hot, or until the water runs out. It will happen here too.
- guerrilla 4y agoAll empires fall. Climate change and wars happen.
- imtringued 4y agoThat didn't help against the floods in Germany.
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- Auracle 4y agoThey wouldn’t come if they knew they would be stopped. We can (and do) send aid when needed, even though our countries are under no obligation to do so.
- imtringued 4y agoThey don't mind dying by the hundreds in crappy boats crossing the Mediterranean Sea.
- guerrilla 4y agoSometimes the aid needed is a place. I have no idea what you mean by obligation or what axioms you base that conclusion on but it seems somewhere in all of that we disagree. I think we should provide people a place if they need it when we can afford to. I think, for one, it's cruel not to do so, but secondly it's good to promote a norm of doing so. We may be in need of a place some day (think war, climate change, economic crisis, etc.) We can't do more than we can do but I think we should do what we can to help.
- usrn 4y agoWe have a first responsibility to our own people. Furthermore if we don't take care of them everyone else will just export their unsustainable configuration to us and everyone will starve.
- guerrilla 4y agoOur people are doing pretty well here in northern Europe. We've taken good care of them and of course we can always do better and I'm sure we will do so in the future. In the meantime, I think we should also help other people when we can afford to do so. I think it's cruel not to do so and I think it's in everyone's self-interest to promote the helping of others when we can afford to do so because we may some day need such help (because of war, plague, famine, climate change, economic crises, etc.) Promotion of such a norm is insurance.
- usrn 4y agoIt's possible that these policies are a large part of why Northern Europe is doing so well. The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries. People keep calling it colonialism though.
- guerrilla 4y agoIt's not possible. 1/11th of our population in Sweden has an immigrant background and we have a far higher standard of living than most of the planet, including the US. > The best thing you can do for people in other countries is help them clean up their own countries What do you live in hole or something? They're coming because they cannot survive in their own countries due to war, genocide, famine and other very serious problems that cannot be solved anytime soon. Get real.
- usrn 4y agoThe majority of those immigrants are likely from other European countries with similar cultures and backgrounds. If you take in too many immigrants you'll just destabilize Switzerland and then Everywhere has the same problem.