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There are upsides to both approaches. I joined my company, which uses react, and I was productive within a few days because I know react well. Would I have the

There are upsides to both approaches. I joined my company, which uses react, and I was productive within a few days because I know react well. Would I have the same easy onboarding experience in your hand rolled app? Maybe. Maybe not. What's your testing story like in your hand rolled app? Do you have test for your atoms, molecules and organisms? How well does your tooling support your code? Popping into a framework means you get to benefit from all the productivity tools that have been built around that framework. Rolling your own anything always means forgoing many conveniences to the developer and possibly the user. The vast majority of people who use the internet don't know what JavaScript is, and especially in the US, most have no reason to really care about bundle size. No company is going to optimize for the very small group of people who browse with JavaScript turned off. Instead companies want to optimize for speed of development, testability, stability, ease of onboarding, etc.

BlueTemplar 4y ago
Wouldn't companies doing government-related work have minimum accessibility requirements ? And wouldn't it be hard to deal with all of them (starting with the quite common eyesight problems, though I guess browser zoom is mostly JavaScript-compatible, and red/green color blindness) without ensuring that the core website functionality works without JavaScript ?
pwdisswordfish9 4y ago
> The vast majority of people who use the internet don't know what JavaScript is, and especially in the US, most have no reason to really care about bundle size. It's enough for them to know that https://twitter.com/POTUS https://twitter.com/POTUS loads in half a minute, while https://nitter.net/POTUS https://nitter.net/POTUS loads almost instantly. Despite both being the exact same content!
- schwartzworld 4y ago
  I doubt that, for example, my parents would know that, or care. My wife definitely wouldn't. Honestly I use Twitter occasionally enough that I've never even considered going to Nitter.

BlueTemplar 4y ago

Wouldn't companies doing government-related work have minimum accessibility requirements ? And wouldn't it be hard to deal with all of them (starting with the quite common eyesight problems, though I guess browser zoom is mostly JavaScript-compatible, and red/green color blindness) without ensuring that the core website functionality works without JavaScript ?

pwdisswordfish9 4y ago

> The vast majority of people who use the internet don't know what JavaScript is, and especially in the US, most have no reason to really care about bundle size. It's enough for them to know that https://twitter.com/POTUS https://twitter.com/POTUS loads in half a minute, while https://nitter.net/POTUS https://nitter.net/POTUS loads almost instantly. Despite both being the exact same content!

schwartzworld 4y ago
I doubt that, for example, my parents would know that, or care. My wife definitely wouldn't. Honestly I use Twitter occasionally enough that I've never even considered going to Nitter.