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> I'm starting to see broken sites What are some examples of this? I keep seeing this complaint and I keep asking for examples but I always get "just various s

> I'm starting to see broken sites What are some examples of this? I keep seeing this complaint and I keep asking for examples but I always get "just various sites"-like answers. FF is my primary browser and I am not seeing it. I am genuinely curious as to whether it is starting to fall behind but I can recall maybe two or three instances the past couple of years where I opened a site in Brave to see if it worked there.

jahnu 4y ago
I use both edge and Firefox daily and have also rarely seen broken sites and even then I’ve experienced them in both browsers at about the same rate.
zonotope 4y ago
I use firefox and don't see broken sites per se, but there are many sites where performance, especially js performance, suffers. Gmail and other Google sites are sluggish for example, as well as Amazon. It sometimes takes a minute after visiting amazon.com for their js to initialize and I can begin to interact with the site. This is not the case for chromium. I stick with firefox because of multi-account containers, a mobile app that I can add adblockers to, and multi-device sync that works well with linux and android, but performance lags and it's getting worse.
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- zelphirkalt 4y ago
  Google sites have long been suspected to do things intentionally in a way that is only optimizing for Chrom(e/ium), maybe even intentionally slow on other browsers, which is mostly Firefox. No surprise there at all. However I do not see this stuff about JS init to take that long on amazon. It might be a special thing in your case. Did you try things like a new profile, to test, whether it still happens?
  - _dark_matter_ 4y ago
    It is not just suspected, all Firefox Android users are served a different Google search experience than Chrome. One that is much worse.
    - cpeterso 4y ago
      Firefox Android’s can install the “Google Search Fixer” add-on to request the full Google Search UI (by sending a Chrome User-Agent string to google.com): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search-fixer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search...
      - dralley 4y ago
        It shouldn't be necessary.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    It's not so much "intentionally broken on Firefox" as it is "between adding features and debugging Firefox performance issues, one gets you promoted and one doesn't." Because the former benefits all users and the latter benefits about 5% of users at most. The banal evil of neglect vs. intentional maliciousness.
    - beebeepka 4y ago
      That may be a small part of the truth but even a 12 year old me wouldn't believe such a fairy tale to be the whole reason. MS also used to optimize DOS in ways that clearly hurt their competitors. We've seen Intel aggressively optimize their compiler to slow down AMD... I am sure people have been "optimizing" in such ways for as long as there have been people.
      - mattarm 4y ago
        I can agree that Google simply neglects Firefox performance and features. I think this alone is enough to explain why Google products work better on Chrome. Are you saying that there are people at Google whose job description is to tweak Google web products to perform worse on Firefox, just so Chrome appears better in comparison?
- lloeki 4y ago
  > a minute Shot in the dark: sounds like a timeout in TCP, DNS, or something like that.
RicoElectrico 4y ago
asos.com did not work properly on FF until recently. Opening some categories would yield an "oops" error. Seems it's fixed in the latest release, but it goes to show how fucked up is webdev if nobody from asos.com tested it with Firefox.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  What... I've used it for years. Never seen this. Maybe it was temporary.
  - RicoElectrico 4y ago
    It persisted for a few months. Probably it had to do with PL locale, as they did not strip diacritics in category names from URLs Oh, and I did turn off uBlock Origin, for that matter.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      Okay, I can see that being a thing. I've only used it in Swedish and English.
almog 4y ago
Gmail, other than being sluggish on FF, its browser history (back button) is broken on Firefox (though gmail's keyboard shortcuts still work).
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  I use this feature to stick it to them and never use logged in Google properties from my main Firefox. I can discard their cookies at will. I have a Chromium sandbox they can track me in for Gmail.
- almog 4y ago
  And another one - google search any time series graphs such as stock price, currency convertion etc. Works so far on FF. Click any of the non-default resolution (5D, 1M, 6M) and you'll get a "No chart available" on FF.
TheLML 4y ago
I've had problems when organizing online tournaments using Challonge. I've had to switch to Chrome a few times to do something, since it would regularly break in FF. Also their support page requires you to enter a combination of keys to reveal the email address: sadly this didn't work in FF, too. I've had a few other problems over time, but none that I remember off the top of my head. I've used FF for the past 15+ years and don't usually mind small problems, though.
323 4y ago
Firefox is my main browser for many years now, but there are two categories of sites that I only open in Chrome: Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. Probably Google is sabotaging YouTube in Firefox. Complex interactive sites, like crypto exchanges. They are slow and with many rendering artefacts in Firefox. Probably because they don't even bother testing in Firefox.
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. Probably Google is sabotaging YouTube in Firefox. Hmmm... I've never had this problem and I use YouTube heavily. You sure your video acceleration and codecs and all that are set up right?
  - wildrhythms 4y ago
    How does one 'set up' video acceleration and codecs?
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      I don't remember but I had to enable something in FF for acceleration at one point and I assume you'd have to have the right codecs installed. This is on Arch Linux.
  - ris58h 4y ago
    It's a known issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1658392 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1658392 I have a laptop with Intel HD graphics and Firefox can't play fullhd video on x2 speed. It freezes every second. Chrome on the same machine plays the same video flawlessly.
- nemetroid 4y ago
  > Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. I recently had similar issues, and it turned out that Firefox’s cache was constantly nearly-full. Clearing the cache returned YouTube to normal.
guerrilla 4y ago
I still haven't found any except a local dating site that can detect my ad blocker in Firefox but not Chrome. Every other site that doesn't work in FF so far also doesn't work in Chrome.
mmwelt 4y ago
I'm not the person you were replying to, but a few broken sites I've noticed are: web.skype.com Jitsi Meet (https://meet.jit.si/) -- apparently no support for insertable streams stuff.co.nz from outside NZ
- aembleton 4y ago
  I don't have a Microsoft account so couldn't try web.skype..com. Not sure what insertable streams are. I tried stuff.co.nz from the UK and it looked like this: https://imgur.com/a/tibMwHE https://imgur.com/a/tibMwHE Articles loaded fine; I'm not sure what is broken about it.
neogodless 4y ago
HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart. The past couple months it has been working again, but there were a few months where I couldn't. This morning, I couldn't buy a key off cdkeys.com - tried two totally different methods, email addresses, credit cards. Didn't try a second browser yet but I'm not sure I am that persistent... A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article. I don't log which sites break - if it's important I tend to cave and open Edge for that site, do my business, and then go back to Firefox for everything else. If it's less important, I'll opt to just not to business with them. But I'm a grain of sand so it doesn't make much difference. Most sites just have really obnoxious CAPTCHA, often requiring more than one "pick the things" but I don't know if my experience is specific to Firefox.
- lol768 4y ago
  > HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart. The past couple months it has been working again, but there were a few months where I couldn't. I checked for webcompat issues matching this description and couldn't find anyone reporting that adding items to the cart didn't work. I attempted to reproduce the issue myself, but HomeDepot block visitors from my location. > This morning, I couldn't buy a key off cdkeys.com - tried two totally different methods, email addresses, credit cards. Didn't try a second browser yet but I'm not sure I am that persistent... Can't reproduce, I was able to buy a CD Key ("Garfield Kart - Furious Racing PC") at 28 May 2022, 16:51:52 BST using Firefox 100.0.2 and a debit card. > A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article. Can't reproduce. Visiting https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-baby-formula-blame-game https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-baby-formul... in Firefox shows me the exact same content as when I use Chromium. I'm not saying you've not experienced these issues, but they're definitely not widespread and your post doesn't give enough information to go on to diagnose if there's an issue with Firefox or not. The best thing you can do is report issues to the webcompat project as and when you come across compatibility issues. It takes about 20 seconds, less time than you probably spent writing this comment.
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enragedcacti 4y ago
I most commonly find it during payment processing and other spots where devs are trying to do fancy input validation or styling in forms, especially on mobile. The most common issue is that the the cursor isn't moved correctly when accounting for automatically inserted spaces or hyphens and it can be pretty much impossible to enter the correct numbers without overwriting previous numbers. Autofill also generally fails in these scenarios.
PascLeRasc 4y ago
Fidelity won't let me log in on Firefox. I've tried everything anyone has to suggest, and I don't care anymore because I moved to Vanguard instead.
beej71 4y ago
I've seen a couple pages on CNBC where it would render the content, then delete it all. (Like, the containing DOM element was made empty.) Disabling JS kept the content from vanishing. Of course, this is almost certainly bad coding on the website's side, and not the fault of Firefox. But it seems like it's but getting the QA attention it needs from the site owners.
supernovae 4y ago
Fidelity's website is busted in firefox a lot of the time
twangist 4y ago
time.com, pages simply didn't appear -- at least this was the case in recent versions of FF, can't swear it's so in latest. Other sites can lack "Search" buttons that appear in Chrome & Safari, or their forms don't work in FF but do in other browsers. It's a real problem.
cmbailey 4y ago
Chipotle.com - can’t order
brynjolf 4y ago
Twitch has been broken for the entire pandemic and will not be ever improved at this point. I gave up and just went with Chrome for anything media related. Mozilla has stopped caring and so I have.

jahnu 4y ago

I use both edge and Firefox daily and have also rarely seen broken sites and even then I’ve experienced them in both browsers at about the same rate.

zonotope 4y ago

I use firefox and don't see broken sites per se, but there are many sites where performance, especially js performance, suffers. Gmail and other Google sites are sluggish for example, as well as Amazon. It sometimes takes a minute after visiting amazon.com for their js to initialize and I can begin to interact with the site. This is not the case for chromium. I stick with firefox because of multi-account containers, a mobile app that I can add adblockers to, and multi-device sync that works well with linux and android, but performance lags and it's getting worse.

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zelphirkalt 4y ago
Google sites have long been suspected to do things intentionally in a way that is only optimizing for Chrom(e/ium), maybe even intentionally slow on other browsers, which is mostly Firefox. No surprise there at all. However I do not see this stuff about JS init to take that long on amazon. It might be a special thing in your case. Did you try things like a new profile, to test, whether it still happens?
- _dark_matter_ 4y ago
  It is not just suspected, all Firefox Android users are served a different Google search experience than Chrome. One that is much worse.
  - cpeterso 4y ago
    Firefox Android’s can install the “Google Search Fixer” add-on to request the full Google Search UI (by sending a Chrome User-Agent string to google.com): https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search-fixer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search...
    - dralley 4y ago
      It shouldn't be necessary.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  It's not so much "intentionally broken on Firefox" as it is "between adding features and debugging Firefox performance issues, one gets you promoted and one doesn't." Because the former benefits all users and the latter benefits about 5% of users at most. The banal evil of neglect vs. intentional maliciousness.
  - beebeepka 4y ago
    That may be a small part of the truth but even a 12 year old me wouldn't believe such a fairy tale to be the whole reason. MS also used to optimize DOS in ways that clearly hurt their competitors. We've seen Intel aggressively optimize their compiler to slow down AMD... I am sure people have been "optimizing" in such ways for as long as there have been people.
    - mattarm 4y ago
      I can agree that Google simply neglects Firefox performance and features. I think this alone is enough to explain why Google products work better on Chrome. Are you saying that there are people at Google whose job description is to tweak Google web products to perform worse on Firefox, just so Chrome appears better in comparison?
lloeki 4y ago
> a minute Shot in the dark: sounds like a timeout in TCP, DNS, or something like that.

RicoElectrico 4y ago

asos.com did not work properly on FF until recently. Opening some categories would yield an "oops" error. Seems it's fixed in the latest release, but it goes to show how fucked up is webdev if nobody from asos.com tested it with Firefox.

guerrilla 4y ago
What... I've used it for years. Never seen this. Maybe it was temporary.
- RicoElectrico 4y ago
  It persisted for a few months. Probably it had to do with PL locale, as they did not strip diacritics in category names from URLs Oh, and I did turn off uBlock Origin, for that matter.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    Okay, I can see that being a thing. I've only used it in Swedish and English.

almog 4y ago

Gmail, other than being sluggish on FF, its browser history (back button) is broken on Firefox (though gmail's keyboard shortcuts still work).

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
I use this feature to stick it to them and never use logged in Google properties from my main Firefox. I can discard their cookies at will. I have a Chromium sandbox they can track me in for Gmail.
almog 4y ago
And another one - google search any time series graphs such as stock price, currency convertion etc. Works so far on FF. Click any of the non-default resolution (5D, 1M, 6M) and you'll get a "No chart available" on FF.

TheLML 4y ago

I've had problems when organizing online tournaments using Challonge. I've had to switch to Chrome a few times to do something, since it would regularly break in FF. Also their support page requires you to enter a combination of keys to reveal the email address: sadly this didn't work in FF, too. I've had a few other problems over time, but none that I remember off the top of my head. I've used FF for the past 15+ years and don't usually mind small problems, though.

323 4y ago

Firefox is my main browser for many years now, but there are two categories of sites that I only open in Chrome: Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. Probably Google is sabotaging YouTube in Firefox. Complex interactive sites, like crypto exchanges. They are slow and with many rendering artefacts in Firefox. Probably because they don't even bother testing in Firefox.

guerrilla 4y ago
> Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. Probably Google is sabotaging YouTube in Firefox. Hmmm... I've never had this problem and I use YouTube heavily. You sure your video acceleration and codecs and all that are set up right?
- wildrhythms 4y ago
  How does one 'set up' video acceleration and codecs?
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    I don't remember but I had to enable something in FF for acceleration at one point and I assume you'd have to have the right codecs installed. This is on Arch Linux.
- ris58h 4y ago
  It's a known issue https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1658392 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1658392 I have a laptop with Intel HD graphics and Firefox can't play fullhd video on x2 speed. It freezes every second. Chrome on the same machine plays the same video flawlessly.
nemetroid 4y ago
> Video heavy sites, especially YouTube. It loads extremely slowly compared to Chrome. And has much more video stuttering. I recently had similar issues, and it turned out that Firefox’s cache was constantly nearly-full. Clearing the cache returned YouTube to normal.

guerrilla 4y ago

I still haven't found any except a local dating site that can detect my ad blocker in Firefox but not Chrome. Every other site that doesn't work in FF so far also doesn't work in Chrome.

mmwelt 4y ago

I'm not the person you were replying to, but a few broken sites I've noticed are: web.skype.com Jitsi Meet (https://meet.jit.si/) -- apparently no support for insertable streams stuff.co.nz from outside NZ

aembleton 4y ago
I don't have a Microsoft account so couldn't try web.skype..com. Not sure what insertable streams are. I tried stuff.co.nz from the UK and it looked like this: https://imgur.com/a/tibMwHE https://imgur.com/a/tibMwHE Articles loaded fine; I'm not sure what is broken about it.

neogodless 4y ago

HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart. The past couple months it has been working again, but there were a few months where I couldn't. This morning, I couldn't buy a key off cdkeys.com - tried two totally different methods, email addresses, credit cards. Didn't try a second browser yet but I'm not sure I am that persistent... A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article. I don't log which sites break - if it's important I tend to cave and open Edge for that site, do my business, and then go back to Firefox for everything else. If it's less important, I'll opt to just not to business with them. But I'm a grain of sand so it doesn't make much difference. Most sites just have really obnoxious CAPTCHA, often requiring more than one "pick the things" but I don't know if my experience is specific to Firefox.

lol768 4y ago
> HomeDepot.com often won't let me add things to cart. The past couple months it has been working again, but there were a few months where I couldn't. I checked for webcompat issues matching this description and couldn't find anyone reporting that adding items to the cart didn't work. I attempted to reproduce the issue myself, but HomeDepot block visitors from my location. > This morning, I couldn't buy a key off cdkeys.com - tried two totally different methods, email addresses, credit cards. Didn't try a second browser yet but I'm not sure I am that persistent... Can't reproduce, I was able to buy a CD Key ("Garfield Kart - Furious Racing PC") at 28 May 2022, 16:51:52 BST using Firefox 100.0.2 and a debit card. > A news site, I think the New Yorker, would only show the first two paragraphs of an article but in other browsers, would show the full article. Can't reproduce. Visiting https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-baby-formula-blame-game https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-baby-formul... in Firefox shows me the exact same content as when I use Chromium. I'm not saying you've not experienced these issues, but they're definitely not widespread and your post doesn't give enough information to go on to diagnose if there's an issue with Firefox or not. The best thing you can do is report issues to the webcompat project as and when you come across compatibility issues. It takes about 20 seconds, less time than you probably spent writing this comment.
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enragedcacti 4y ago

I most commonly find it during payment processing and other spots where devs are trying to do fancy input validation or styling in forms, especially on mobile. The most common issue is that the the cursor isn't moved correctly when accounting for automatically inserted spaces or hyphens and it can be pretty much impossible to enter the correct numbers without overwriting previous numbers. Autofill also generally fails in these scenarios.

PascLeRasc 4y ago

Fidelity won't let me log in on Firefox. I've tried everything anyone has to suggest, and I don't care anymore because I moved to Vanguard instead.

beej71 4y ago

I've seen a couple pages on CNBC where it would render the content, then delete it all. (Like, the containing DOM element was made empty.) Disabling JS kept the content from vanishing. Of course, this is almost certainly bad coding on the website's side, and not the fault of Firefox. But it seems like it's but getting the QA attention it needs from the site owners.

supernovae 4y ago

Fidelity's website is busted in firefox a lot of the time

twangist 4y ago

time.com, pages simply didn't appear -- at least this was the case in recent versions of FF, can't swear it's so in latest. Other sites can lack "Search" buttons that appear in Chrome & Safari, or their forms don't work in FF but do in other browsers. It's a real problem.

cmbailey 4y ago

Chipotle.com - can’t order

brynjolf 4y ago

Twitch has been broken for the entire pandemic and will not be ever improved at this point. I gave up and just went with Chrome for anything media related. Mozilla has stopped caring and so I have.