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Without drawing any conclusions... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_as

Without drawing any conclusions... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer... There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. Could be: 1. Increased sudden heart failure due to Covid 2. Increased sudden heart failure due to vaccines 3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever 4. Something else, unrelated to covid or vaccines

notahacker 4y ago
> There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. That's a claim not supported by your link. Recency bias (and perhaps a greater media and Wiki-editing focus following a player suffering non-fatal cardiac arrest on the pitch in the World Cup) means there are more listed names in 2021. But the article also points out that FIFA investigated 617 deaths over a previous 5 year period, which implies far, far more deaths in regular years than itemised on Wikipedia...
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  > Recency bias (and perhaps a greater media and Wiki-editing focus following a player suffering non-fatal cardiac arrest on the pitch in the World Cup) means there are more listed names in 2021. My only claim is that Wikipedia catalogues a lot more sudden deaths in Football in 2021. You have repeated possibility #3 of my comment: > 3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever
  - notahacker 4y ago
    I quoted the claim you actually made. My point is that the 21 footballers Wikipedians identified as dying in 2022 is actually substantially fewer annual deaths than the authoritative source the same Wikipedia page cites as investigating for the period 2014-18, so provides no reason to entertain hypotheses 1 and 2. (Of course it also provides no particular reason to assume actual deaths fell and seek an explanation for that either; there's just enough evidence on that page to confirm Wikipedia "selected" name lists aren't data)
- Lionga 4y ago
  He gave exactly that as an option: "3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever" but I am not sure anymore who is more stupid the anti vaxxer or the vaxx worshipper who will down vote and be against anything that could hint at the vaccines not being perfect.
  - croes 4y ago
    >There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. This is the part that is wrong. There not more sudden deaths in football 2021, there are just more entries on the wiki page for the year 2021. Between 2014 and 2018 617 players died according to the FIFA SDR, but the wiki page is rather short for that years.
- croes 4y ago
  So you meant there are more entries and not more sudden deaths.
croes 4y ago
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport-idUSL1N2T81NY https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport-... https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-linked-to-athletes-collapsing-or-dying-from-myocarditis-idUSL1N2SK160 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/... https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-fifa/fact-check-fifa-unaware-of-rise-in-players-having-cardiac-arrests-on-football-pitches-and-such-incidents-not-flagged-as-being-linked-to-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2SL1NJ https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-fifa/f... And between 2014-2018 617 footballers died according to FIFA SDR, that's 123 per year. The Wikipedia list is pretty short for that years, because nobody cared to enter them on Wikipedia.
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notahacker 4y ago

> There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. That's a claim not supported by your link. Recency bias (and perhaps a greater media and Wiki-editing focus following a player suffering non-fatal cardiac arrest on the pitch in the World Cup) means there are more listed names in 2021. But the article also points out that FIFA investigated 617 deaths over a previous 5 year period, which implies far, far more deaths in regular years than itemised on Wikipedia...

unsupp0rted 4y ago
> Recency bias (and perhaps a greater media and Wiki-editing focus following a player suffering non-fatal cardiac arrest on the pitch in the World Cup) means there are more listed names in 2021. My only claim is that Wikipedia catalogues a lot more sudden deaths in Football in 2021. You have repeated possibility #3 of my comment: > 3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever
- notahacker 4y ago
  I quoted the claim you actually made. My point is that the 21 footballers Wikipedians identified as dying in 2022 is actually substantially fewer annual deaths than the authoritative source the same Wikipedia page cites as investigating for the period 2014-18, so provides no reason to entertain hypotheses 1 and 2. (Of course it also provides no particular reason to assume actual deaths fell and seek an explanation for that either; there's just enough evidence on that page to confirm Wikipedia "selected" name lists aren't data)
Lionga 4y ago
He gave exactly that as an option: "3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever" but I am not sure anymore who is more stupid the anti vaxxer or the vaxx worshipper who will down vote and be against anything that could hint at the vaccines not being perfect.
- croes 4y ago
  >There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year. This is the part that is wrong. There not more sudden deaths in football 2021, there are just more entries on the wiki page for the year 2021. Between 2014 and 2018 617 players died according to the FIFA SDR, but the wiki page is rather short for that years.
croes 4y ago
So you meant there are more entries and not more sudden deaths.

croes 4y ago

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport-idUSL1N2T81NY https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport-... https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-linked-to-athletes-collapsing-or-dying-from-myocarditis-idUSL1N2SK160 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/... https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-fifa/fact-check-fifa-unaware-of-rise-in-players-having-cardiac-arrests-on-football-pitches-and-such-incidents-not-flagged-as-being-linked-to-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2SL1NJ https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-fifa/f... And between 2014-2018 617 footballers died according to FIFA SDR, that's 123 per year. The Wikipedia list is pretty short for that years, because nobody cared to enter them on Wikipedia.

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