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I do real estate for a living and this opinion is like a zombie that never dies no matter how many times it is proven wrong. You are putting forward that landl

by tayne 4y ago

I do real estate for a living and this opinion is like a zombie that never dies no matter how many times it is proven wrong. You are putting forward that landlords acted collectively to increase the price of realestate. This is obviously wrong. The price of homes is determined by the market. It doesn’t matter who owns those homes, they are worth what the market says they are. Landlords do not control the market and even if they banded together in a conspiracy to increase the price of homes, they couldn’t because the vast majority of homes are owned by regular people. The high price of housing is caused by a shortage. If you don’t believe me then watch the 60 minutes segment about it. There’s no conspiracy. If there weren’t landlords building new stock it would be even worse. It’s so ironic that the hive mind spits in the face of the only people building new housing; the only people making the problem better.

jjoonathan 4y ago
Nice try. Landlords and homeowners and the finance industry don't control the market... they just form a political bloc that controls zoning and taxes and transportation infrastructure and central finance, and these knobs in turn control the market. For some reason, they always vote for policies that pump their holdings. Can't imagine why. These policies do create problems, though, and it's not only reasonable to attribute the problems back to the people who voted for them, it's unreasonable to do anything else. "It's just the market!" is on par with "Look, a squirrel!" in terms of critical thinking.
- tayne 4y ago
  Again, landlords aren’t a big enough group or coordinated enough to do anything. There’s no landlord lobby. Homeowners are a different story. It’s them who stop us from building more. But yea, it’s just the market and there’s no conspiracy and landlords are the last people to blame. Your comment on my cognitive abilities is a petty insult and is not allowed on this platform.
  - satokema 4y ago
    "You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge." The landlords don't need to conspire - they know what's good for them and the politicians either own property themselves or are connected enough to landlords to help them out. None of these parties have an immediate interest in the lower class affording housing or maintaining the community fabric in the long term - especially the faceless incorporated ones.
  - cudgy 4y ago
    Blackrock doesn’t have any lobbyists? Apartment consortiums don’t have lobbyists?
    - imtringued 4y ago
      Homeowners outnumber them and local politicians listen to them more than to some far away group of people in NYC. Really it is quite simple, homeowners vote in tax cuts for themselves which also apply to landlords.
      - cudgy 4y ago
        Why would homeowners vote tax cuts for landlords as well? I wish that the politicians listened to the citizens. You have a very naive take on politicians and how they are motivated. Think campaign donations and hobnobbing for a cushy job when they leave office —- that’s what motivates politicians.
Jasper_ 4y ago
There are luxury condos right where I live that are sold by a property management company. They are unoccupied, and have been unoccupied for months. The prices have not gone down. There's no super strong market force to push the price of a house down, while there is a large market force to keep it valued where it is or make it go higher.
- NumberWangMan 4y ago
  Respectfully, this doesn't prove that the law of supply and demand no longer applies. Any individual seller may choose not to decrease their prices -- but if they do it long enough, they run out of money and are forced to sell. It's also difficult to tease out the effect of general price inflation. If house prices stay stagnant but currency is devauled, prices are decreasing in real terms.
  - jkmcf 4y ago
    Some places have tax breaks for unoccupied property rentals. Instead of lowering prices they leave them high and break even on the losses (or close enough such that they weather the short term until demand at their preferred price is reached)
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  What are the odds these are used to park (questionably acquired) assets by wealthy foreigners?
- Spivak 4y ago
  Months is way too short a timeline to say anything. There is no market force that says these houses must sell right now today and so like literally every other asset they’re being held until in the expectation that offers will come in that meet the asking price.

by tayne 4y ago

jjoonathan 4y ago

Nice try. Landlords and homeowners and the finance industry don't control the market... they just form a political bloc that controls zoning and taxes and transportation infrastructure and central finance, and these knobs in turn control the market. For some reason, they always vote for policies that pump their holdings. Can't imagine why. These policies do create problems, though, and it's not only reasonable to attribute the problems back to the people who voted for them, it's unreasonable to do anything else. "It's just the market!" is on par with "Look, a squirrel!" in terms of critical thinking.

tayne 4y ago
Again, landlords aren’t a big enough group or coordinated enough to do anything. There’s no landlord lobby. Homeowners are a different story. It’s them who stop us from building more. But yea, it’s just the market and there’s no conspiracy and landlords are the last people to blame. Your comment on my cognitive abilities is a petty insult and is not allowed on this platform.
- satokema 4y ago
  "You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge." The landlords don't need to conspire - they know what's good for them and the politicians either own property themselves or are connected enough to landlords to help them out. None of these parties have an immediate interest in the lower class affording housing or maintaining the community fabric in the long term - especially the faceless incorporated ones.
- cudgy 4y ago
  Blackrock doesn’t have any lobbyists? Apartment consortiums don’t have lobbyists?
  - imtringued 4y ago
    Homeowners outnumber them and local politicians listen to them more than to some far away group of people in NYC. Really it is quite simple, homeowners vote in tax cuts for themselves which also apply to landlords.
    - cudgy 4y ago
      Why would homeowners vote tax cuts for landlords as well? I wish that the politicians listened to the citizens. You have a very naive take on politicians and how they are motivated. Think campaign donations and hobnobbing for a cushy job when they leave office —- that’s what motivates politicians.

Jasper_ 4y ago

There are luxury condos right where I live that are sold by a property management company. They are unoccupied, and have been unoccupied for months. The prices have not gone down. There's no super strong market force to push the price of a house down, while there is a large market force to keep it valued where it is or make it go higher.

NumberWangMan 4y ago
Respectfully, this doesn't prove that the law of supply and demand no longer applies. Any individual seller may choose not to decrease their prices -- but if they do it long enough, they run out of money and are forced to sell. It's also difficult to tease out the effect of general price inflation. If house prices stay stagnant but currency is devauled, prices are decreasing in real terms.
- jkmcf 4y ago
  Some places have tax breaks for unoccupied property rentals. Instead of lowering prices they leave them high and break even on the losses (or close enough such that they weather the short term until demand at their preferred price is reached)
908B64B197 4y ago
What are the odds these are used to park (questionably acquired) assets by wealthy foreigners?
Spivak 4y ago
Months is way too short a timeline to say anything. There is no market force that says these houses must sell right now today and so like literally every other asset they’re being held until in the expectation that offers will come in that meet the asking price.