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Not to crap the thread but in India we get 100Mbps(Broadband) no data cap for just 10$ a month. 3$ per month for 2GB per day data (60GB total). We have a tonne

by shmde 4y ago

Not to crap the thread but in India we get 100Mbps(Broadband) no data cap for just 10$ a month. 3$ per month for 2GB per day data (60GB total). We have a tonne of local players for broadband which helps with the lower price. Its a shame a first world country like Canada has the rates so high. Perks of free market and capitalism I guess.

stackbutterflow 4y ago
It's uniquely North American. Europe has cheap and fast internet.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  Not the whole Europe. It was hard to find in Denmark just out of Copenhagen.
- wink 4y ago
  Parts of Europe have cheap internet, parts have fast internet. Sometimes both, sometimes none. It's already impossible to talk about the coverage in Germany as uniform, there's everything from Fiber to only 25 Mbit, to 1 Mbit (this is not a 'city' vs 'rural' thing, it's kinda random, especially for Fiber), lumping together Europe sounds weird.
mariuolo 4y ago
> Perks of free market With a cartel of two, I doubt it can be considered a free market.
- edflsafoiewq 4y ago
  OP presumably means that it is India, which has "a tonne of local players for broadband", that is enjoying the "perks of free market".
- erfgh 4y ago
  It's free unless there's someone forcefully stopping other businesses from entering the market.
  - olalonde 4y ago
    I suppose laying cables down the streets requires some kind of authorization. Also, the Canadian government is forcefully stopping foreign owned companies from entering the telecom market.
wwtrv 4y ago
As a counter point I live in the Baltic states (however I think the situation is very similar in most ex-communist countries in eastern Europe) and free market capitalism has worked relatively exceptionally great here. Both for cellular and wired internet there is no price regulation and very little regulation regarding ownership/mergers however there are many competing companies in both areas and due to this competition you can get 100Mbps for less than €10, 1Gbps for around €20 and uncapped cellular plans also go for around €20. I hardly see how additional regulation could improve this situation, probably would only result in less choice and higher prices..
_2paq 4y ago
Good job misleading everyone and painting a rosy picture of India because yay, nationalism. There is a data cap on broadband. It's called "commercial usage terms" and it defines a data cap of 3.3TB a month often written in size 6 font or omitted. This is when you're using either Airtel or Jio, the two biggest broadband providers in the nation. Quoting prices for 4G internet is pretty much useless because of how unreliable it is. The prices for calls and internet have started to increase after Jio and Airtel both admitted that the prices in India are unsustainable. Jio also acquired several smaller internet service providers. My apartment complex has only two options — Jio or Airtel.
- shmde 4y ago
  Speaking about my net postive broadband and 4G experience from the past 4-5 years living in a metro city (Kolkata where its not even BJP) in India is "misleading everyone" and "nationalism" ? What level of mental gymnastics did you have you perform to even arrive at this conclusion ? To counter your 2 arguments, Argument 1: Before Jio even penetrated the market we had a bunch of different operators ( Docomo, aircel and even airtel etc ) who charged a bomb for literally 1GB of data, I remember having to shell out a premium on my docomo during 2015 just for some talktime and 1GB which I had to use cautiously for browsing. Even now after JIO incrementing prices its still cheaper than what the operators use to charge before 2015-16. You get a freaking 1GB per day and unlimited talktime now. argument 2: Growing up we had BSNL broadband run by your so called "elected left government". It was ABSOLUTELY SHIT. Words cannot describe how pathetic BSNL's service and speeds were. But as per your last sentence there was NO other choice, it was a damned monopoly and literally a shit one, people had airtel/docomo dongles but it used to cost a bomb. Then came a lot of small scale ISPs and also JIO/airtel who provided insane speeds at decent prices which the general public had yet to experience and made it accessible to people. I personally use a local one, it says unlimited and I have it pushed to over 2TB in a month by downloading a shit tonne amount of 4K remuxes, installing epics/steams video games. The speeds did not slow down at all. I think I might be in maybe 1%-2% of all people in India who has even gone upto a TB of data in a month. I don't know if there is actually a cap at 3.3TB but your phrasing sounds like every indian household uses 3.3 TB of data every month and cries in a corner about it not being truly unlimited. I cannot believe the levels of cynicism in your comment, how naive and rose tinted your your views are about India's history with internet services. If you are mad with the insane internet infrastructure advancements this government has brought , I hope you stay mad.
mrep 4y ago
10 cad(?) cause Canada has 23x the nominal GDP per Capita compared to India so you are paying relatively more in ppp if so.
oopsIn9 4y ago
Local players mostly would be in bigger cities. My Apartment complex in Bengaluru has Jio, Airtel, Act, Bsnl and local provider. I went with local one and they are very good as well.

by shmde 4y ago

stackbutterflow 4y ago

It's uniquely North American. Europe has cheap and fast internet.

lostmsu 4y ago
Not the whole Europe. It was hard to find in Denmark just out of Copenhagen.
wink 4y ago
Parts of Europe have cheap internet, parts have fast internet. Sometimes both, sometimes none. It's already impossible to talk about the coverage in Germany as uniform, there's everything from Fiber to only 25 Mbit, to 1 Mbit (this is not a 'city' vs 'rural' thing, it's kinda random, especially for Fiber), lumping together Europe sounds weird.

mariuolo 4y ago

> Perks of free market With a cartel of two, I doubt it can be considered a free market.

edflsafoiewq 4y ago
OP presumably means that it is India, which has "a tonne of local players for broadband", that is enjoying the "perks of free market".
erfgh 4y ago
It's free unless there's someone forcefully stopping other businesses from entering the market.
- olalonde 4y ago
  I suppose laying cables down the streets requires some kind of authorization. Also, the Canadian government is forcefully stopping foreign owned companies from entering the telecom market.

wwtrv 4y ago

As a counter point I live in the Baltic states (however I think the situation is very similar in most ex-communist countries in eastern Europe) and free market capitalism has worked relatively exceptionally great here. Both for cellular and wired internet there is no price regulation and very little regulation regarding ownership/mergers however there are many competing companies in both areas and due to this competition you can get 100Mbps for less than €10, 1Gbps for around €20 and uncapped cellular plans also go for around €20. I hardly see how additional regulation could improve this situation, probably would only result in less choice and higher prices..

_2paq 4y ago

Good job misleading everyone and painting a rosy picture of India because yay, nationalism. There is a data cap on broadband. It's called "commercial usage terms" and it defines a data cap of 3.3TB a month often written in size 6 font or omitted. This is when you're using either Airtel or Jio, the two biggest broadband providers in the nation. Quoting prices for 4G internet is pretty much useless because of how unreliable it is. The prices for calls and internet have started to increase after Jio and Airtel both admitted that the prices in India are unsustainable. Jio also acquired several smaller internet service providers. My apartment complex has only two options — Jio or Airtel.

shmde 4y ago
Speaking about my net postive broadband and 4G experience from the past 4-5 years living in a metro city (Kolkata where its not even BJP) in India is "misleading everyone" and "nationalism" ? What level of mental gymnastics did you have you perform to even arrive at this conclusion ? To counter your 2 arguments, Argument 1: Before Jio even penetrated the market we had a bunch of different operators ( Docomo, aircel and even airtel etc ) who charged a bomb for literally 1GB of data, I remember having to shell out a premium on my docomo during 2015 just for some talktime and 1GB which I had to use cautiously for browsing. Even now after JIO incrementing prices its still cheaper than what the operators use to charge before 2015-16. You get a freaking 1GB per day and unlimited talktime now. argument 2: Growing up we had BSNL broadband run by your so called "elected left government". It was ABSOLUTELY SHIT. Words cannot describe how pathetic BSNL's service and speeds were. But as per your last sentence there was NO other choice, it was a damned monopoly and literally a shit one, people had airtel/docomo dongles but it used to cost a bomb. Then came a lot of small scale ISPs and also JIO/airtel who provided insane speeds at decent prices which the general public had yet to experience and made it accessible to people. I personally use a local one, it says unlimited and I have it pushed to over 2TB in a month by downloading a shit tonne amount of 4K remuxes, installing epics/steams video games. The speeds did not slow down at all. I think I might be in maybe 1%-2% of all people in India who has even gone upto a TB of data in a month. I don't know if there is actually a cap at 3.3TB but your phrasing sounds like every indian household uses 3.3 TB of data every month and cries in a corner about it not being truly unlimited. I cannot believe the levels of cynicism in your comment, how naive and rose tinted your your views are about India's history with internet services. If you are mad with the insane internet infrastructure advancements this government has brought , I hope you stay mad.

mrep 4y ago

10 cad(?) cause Canada has 23x the nominal GDP per Capita compared to India so you are paying relatively more in ppp if so.

oopsIn9 4y ago

Local players mostly would be in bigger cities. My Apartment complex in Bengaluru has Jio, Airtel, Act, Bsnl and local provider. I went with local one and they are very good as well.