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As a Dutch person I feel deeply ashamed and disgusted by my government. As far as I am concerned the tax scandal wasn't 'only' institutional racism, it was geno

by orlp 4y ago

As a Dutch person I feel deeply ashamed and disgusted by my government. As far as I am concerned the tax scandal wasn't 'only' institutional racism, it was genocide. Kids were systematically (over 1100 cases) taken away from their parents based on explicitly racist policies and placed in foster homes. This is a very deep black mark on our history to come.

belter 4y ago
"1,675 children removed from parents' custody in benefits scandal" https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-custody-benefits-scandal https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-...
sjaak 4y ago
> it was genocide Genocide literally means "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group" Nothing of the sort happened. Words and their definitions matter.
- tonyg 4y ago
  See point e of article 2 of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention, the operative legal definition, which reads "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
- orlp 4y ago
  Genocide is the intentional destruction of a large 'group' of people (be it ethnical, racial, religious, etc). Removing young children from their parents to be placed outside the group is a "tried and tested" method of doing so. In fact, it's so common it was included in the five acts of the Genocide Convention and has a separate subsection on its Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Forcibly_transferring_children_of_the_group_to_another_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Forcibly_transferring...
- jokoon 4y ago
  Does that mean the great leap forward was not a genocide? What about the holodomor?
mynameishere 4y ago
As an "ashamed" Dutch person you might feel better knowing that you are undergoing actual genocide.
- tonyg 4y ago
  This might need a bit of unpacking to ensure that people don't come away with the impression that you're talking about "great replacement" white supremacist bullshit here. Assuming, of course, you're not.

by orlp 4y ago

belter 4y ago

"1,675 children removed from parents' custody in benefits scandal" https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-custody-benefits-scandal https://nltimes.nl/2022/05/11/1675-children-removed-parents-...

sjaak 4y ago

> it was genocide Genocide literally means "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group" Nothing of the sort happened. Words and their definitions matter.

tonyg 4y ago
See point e of article 2 of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention, the operative legal definition, which reads "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
orlp 4y ago
Genocide is the intentional destruction of a large 'group' of people (be it ethnical, racial, religious, etc). Removing young children from their parents to be placed outside the group is a "tried and tested" method of doing so. In fact, it's so common it was included in the five acts of the Genocide Convention and has a separate subsection on its Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Forcibly_transferring_children_of_the_group_to_another_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#Forcibly_transferring...
jokoon 4y ago
Does that mean the great leap forward was not a genocide? What about the holodomor?

mynameishere 4y ago

As an "ashamed" Dutch person you might feel better knowing that you are undergoing actual genocide.

tonyg 4y ago
This might need a bit of unpacking to ensure that people don't come away with the impression that you're talking about "great replacement" white supremacist bullshit here. Assuming, of course, you're not.