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It feels obvious now that kids should not be on tv at all, by the same logic that they can't consent to sex. They can't consent to the huge ramifications of pub

It feels obvious now that kids should not be on tv at all, by the same logic that they can't consent to sex. They can't consent to the huge ramifications of public exposure.

cryptonector 4y ago
Often child actors are sexually abused, too.
jazzythom 4y ago
They can’t consent to anything by your logic we should cut a hole in a cardboard box and put them in it until they’re 18. You have to be practical, that opportunity could generate millions for his future and build a career. I mean you can’t punish them for being unable to see the future. Judge them from the information available at the junction.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  > You have to be practical, that opportunity could generate millions for his future and build a career. Or they can be scared for life and have never get any of that money, as in this instance. We don't force or even allow children to work in any other industry. It is ridiculous and offensive to say that calling for the end of the exception for child actors is somehow equivalent to saying "we should cut a hole in a cardboard box and put them in it until they’re 18"
  - dale_glass 4y ago
    Most jobs require a huge time investment and a reliable schedule. At least theoretically, you could accommodate children by only giving them small roles that require very infrequent time investment on their part, and a bunch of people keeping an eye on everything going on. The question is whether such a thing can be worked out at all, or whether it's safer just to jinx the entire idea, reasoning that there will be too much rule breaking despite good intentions. It's definitely going to depend on the country and legal system -- it seems in Russia there's a fair amount of series with child actors in them, and I wonder how well they're treated, because a long running series is definitely going to be very demanding even on adults.
    - jazzythom 4y ago
      I think we need to predict what kids will become, what they actually want, and fully commit to giving them that outcome. It’s necessary to take some risk of an outcome like WW, but they were just being opportunistic. We need to pursue for children a narrative with intent.
palmtree3000 4y ago
I don't think Will's experience supports that. It's not that he gave some consent that, looking back on it, wasn't valid. Instead, he repeatedly and explicitly did not consent, and was ignored.
- phire 4y ago
  Apparently he was coached into giving consent the first time: she made me to go her commercial agency and tell the children’s agent, “I want to do what mommy does,” which she has lied to herself about for 40 years. I clearly remember sitting at the kitchen table at our house in Sunland, while she coached me on how the meeting was going to go. She played the agent and I was me. She gave me commercial copy to practice. She coached and prepped me and I went along with it because I WAS SEVEN.
bigDinosaur 4y ago
They can't consent to the ramifications of mandatory schooling for the first 16 or so years of their life, either, which shows how much we actually care about children's agency.
meatsauce 4y ago

It feels obvious now that kids should not be on tv at all, by the same logic that they can't consent to sex. They can't consent to the huge ramifications of public exposure.

cryptonector 4y ago

Often child actors are sexually abused, too.

jazzythom 4y ago

They can’t consent to anything by your logic we should cut a hole in a cardboard box and put them in it until they’re 18. You have to be practical, that opportunity could generate millions for his future and build a career. I mean you can’t punish them for being unable to see the future. Judge them from the information available at the junction.

shkkmo 4y ago
> You have to be practical, that opportunity could generate millions for his future and build a career. Or they can be scared for life and have never get any of that money, as in this instance. We don't force or even allow children to work in any other industry. It is ridiculous and offensive to say that calling for the end of the exception for child actors is somehow equivalent to saying "we should cut a hole in a cardboard box and put them in it until they’re 18"
- dale_glass 4y ago
  Most jobs require a huge time investment and a reliable schedule. At least theoretically, you could accommodate children by only giving them small roles that require very infrequent time investment on their part, and a bunch of people keeping an eye on everything going on. The question is whether such a thing can be worked out at all, or whether it's safer just to jinx the entire idea, reasoning that there will be too much rule breaking despite good intentions. It's definitely going to depend on the country and legal system -- it seems in Russia there's a fair amount of series with child actors in them, and I wonder how well they're treated, because a long running series is definitely going to be very demanding even on adults.
  - jazzythom 4y ago
    I think we need to predict what kids will become, what they actually want, and fully commit to giving them that outcome. It’s necessary to take some risk of an outcome like WW, but they were just being opportunistic. We need to pursue for children a narrative with intent.

palmtree3000 4y ago

I don't think Will's experience supports that. It's not that he gave some consent that, looking back on it, wasn't valid. Instead, he repeatedly and explicitly did not consent, and was ignored.

phire 4y ago
Apparently he was coached into giving consent the first time: she made me to go her commercial agency and tell the children’s agent, “I want to do what mommy does,” which she has lied to herself about for 40 years. I clearly remember sitting at the kitchen table at our house in Sunland, while she coached me on how the meeting was going to go. She played the agent and I was me. She gave me commercial copy to practice. She coached and prepped me and I went along with it because I WAS SEVEN.

bigDinosaur 4y ago

They can't consent to the ramifications of mandatory schooling for the first 16 or so years of their life, either, which shows how much we actually care about children's agency.

meatsauce 4y ago