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The UK was even worse in this regard, with asian sex gangs grooming kids while the police knew about it and choose to ignore it to not look racist for targeting

The UK was even worse in this regard, with asian sex gangs grooming kids while the police knew about it and choose to ignore it to not look racist for targeting minorities with dark skin. This move is all about surveillance and has nothing to do with keeping kids safe.

thaumasiotes 4y ago
Might be worth noting that the word "Asian" in the UK refers to what in the US would be called Indians. (And, in the details, the people in question here would actually be Pakistanis.)
- Joeboy 4y ago
  Are Pakistanis considered Indian in the US?
  - jimmygrapes 4y ago
    At probably around the same rate Americans and Canadians are lumped together in India, that is, until you get to know them or they give some clear indication (flag, etc.)
    - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
      - omnicognate 4y ago
        It's not equivalent because while "American" can mean "somebody from the Americas" it also has a common usage specifically to mean "someone from the USA". Hardly anyone says USAians, and the phrase "are you Canadian or American" is one readily understood by any anglophone. "Asian" has no corresponding usage in relation to India.
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      - zbobet2012 4y ago
        American only refers to someone from the US in English. The correct demonym for someone from "the Americas" in English would be "Americanian". (Just as Bahamas -> Bahmanian) The other definition of American is a common confusion from Spanish and has never been in regular usage in the English language. That's because English doesn't have the concept of "America" to refer to both North and South America. Historically English defined the continents differently from Spanish, and never treated them as one.
      - robonerd 4y ago
        > USA-ians This is never going to catch on, except in Latin America and with trollish Europeans baiting for responses online. Said outloud it sounds like "U.S. Asians", which is just going to make people confused. Nobody actually uses this demonym in America.
        corrral 4y ago
      - kps 4y ago
        In that sense, Pakistanis would be ‘Indian’, as would Bangladeshis, Nepalis, and Bhutanese, since they are on the Indian subcontinent.
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      That happens everywhere, this is why Canadians so often wear flags abroad, they don't like being confused for Americans. I originally thought they were really patriottic or something but the ones I met told me they were just sick of having to explain constantly. I think Australians and New Zealanders get the same, confused for each other. And us Dutch are confused a lot with Germans too. Not that I wear a flag for it though :) Source: Shared a house with a bunch of Canadians :)
      - IAmEveryone 4y ago
        I am thinking about wearing a Dutch flag when abroad to avoid being considered a German. And I am German.
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  - the_only_law 4y ago
    My guess is people from the region get lumped together. See also: Sikh People being mistaken for Muslims several years back.
  - pyuser583 4y ago
    Muslim Indians are often mistaken for Pakistanis.
hihihihi1234 4y ago
Link for those interested in learning more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo... NB there have been several other similar scandals but Rotherham is the most famous.
- concordDance 4y ago
  Abuse by pakistani origin men was happening in many towns for years (e.g. Huddersfield, Oxford, Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby ones all have wikipedia pages) and sadly the only people willing to speak up about it were English nationalist types like "muslamic ray guns" guy.
  - tyho 4y ago
    "muslamic ray guns" is a reference to a famous video from some very drunk working class guy, which was lampooned by almost everybody with a nice side of class snobbery. Since then the scandals regarding islamic rape gangs have become public, and it has since become clear that he was trying to say "islamic rape gangs", not "muslamic ray guns". It was an issue which exclusively affected deprived areas and working class people. They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. He is owed an apology.
    - concordDance 4y ago
      When the existance of your problems makes the people who make up the beurocracy uncomfortable or would violate their dearly held beliefs about how the world works they can ignore your problems for a very long time indeed.
    - car_analogy 4y ago
      > They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. Plenty of others could and did articulate it better. But it's so much easier to pick out and debunk the most inept of the disfavored side, and pretend they are representative of the rest, while highlighting only the most sympathetic of the favored side. A very basic and very effective propaganda technique.
CaptainMarvel 4y ago
The police chose to ignore it, but when we consider the full history of the police and wider institutions choosing to ignore children being abused in a variety of ways by a variety of people, the reason “not to look racist” is patently absurd.

thaumasiotes 4y ago

Might be worth noting that the word "Asian" in the UK refers to what in the US would be called Indians. (And, in the details, the people in question here would actually be Pakistanis.)

Joeboy 4y ago
Are Pakistanis considered Indian in the US?
- jimmygrapes 4y ago
  At probably around the same rate Americans and Canadians are lumped together in India, that is, until you get to know them or they give some clear indication (flag, etc.)
  - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
    - omnicognate 4y ago
      It's not equivalent because while "American" can mean "somebody from the Americas" it also has a common usage specifically to mean "someone from the USA". Hardly anyone says USAians, and the phrase "are you Canadian or American" is one readily understood by any anglophone. "Asian" has no corresponding usage in relation to India.
      - deleted 4y ago
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    - zbobet2012 4y ago
      American only refers to someone from the US in English. The correct demonym for someone from "the Americas" in English would be "Americanian". (Just as Bahamas -> Bahmanian) The other definition of American is a common confusion from Spanish and has never been in regular usage in the English language. That's because English doesn't have the concept of "America" to refer to both North and South America. Historically English defined the continents differently from Spanish, and never treated them as one.
    - robonerd 4y ago
      > USA-ians This is never going to catch on, except in Latin America and with trollish Europeans baiting for responses online. Said outloud it sounds like "U.S. Asians", which is just going to make people confused. Nobody actually uses this demonym in America.
      - corrral 4y ago
    - kps 4y ago
      In that sense, Pakistanis would be ‘Indian’, as would Bangladeshis, Nepalis, and Bhutanese, since they are on the Indian subcontinent.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    That happens everywhere, this is why Canadians so often wear flags abroad, they don't like being confused for Americans. I originally thought they were really patriottic or something but the ones I met told me they were just sick of having to explain constantly. I think Australians and New Zealanders get the same, confused for each other. And us Dutch are confused a lot with Germans too. Not that I wear a flag for it though :) Source: Shared a house with a bunch of Canadians :)
    - IAmEveryone 4y ago
      I am thinking about wearing a Dutch flag when abroad to avoid being considered a German. And I am German.
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- the_only_law 4y ago
  My guess is people from the region get lumped together. See also: Sikh People being mistaken for Muslims several years back.
- pyuser583 4y ago
  Muslim Indians are often mistaken for Pakistanis.

hihihihi1234 4y ago

Link for those interested in learning more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo... NB there have been several other similar scandals but Rotherham is the most famous.

concordDance 4y ago
Abuse by pakistani origin men was happening in many towns for years (e.g. Huddersfield, Oxford, Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby ones all have wikipedia pages) and sadly the only people willing to speak up about it were English nationalist types like "muslamic ray guns" guy.
- tyho 4y ago
  "muslamic ray guns" is a reference to a famous video from some very drunk working class guy, which was lampooned by almost everybody with a nice side of class snobbery. Since then the scandals regarding islamic rape gangs have become public, and it has since become clear that he was trying to say "islamic rape gangs", not "muslamic ray guns". It was an issue which exclusively affected deprived areas and working class people. They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. He is owed an apology.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    When the existance of your problems makes the people who make up the beurocracy uncomfortable or would violate their dearly held beliefs about how the world works they can ignore your problems for a very long time indeed.
  - car_analogy 4y ago
    > They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. Plenty of others could and did articulate it better. But it's so much easier to pick out and debunk the most inept of the disfavored side, and pretend they are representative of the rest, while highlighting only the most sympathetic of the favored side. A very basic and very effective propaganda technique.

CaptainMarvel 4y ago

The police chose to ignore it, but when we consider the full history of the police and wider institutions choosing to ignore children being abused in a variety of ways by a variety of people, the reason “not to look racist” is patently absurd.