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Living in France, the lie is also obvious for a very sad reason : we aldready don't do anything significant in case of a majority of 'obvious' child abuses (sex

by GaelFG 4y ago

Living in France, the lie is also obvious for a very sad reason : we aldready don't do anything significant in case of a majority of 'obvious' child abuses (sex related or not, that's not even the point). I know a fair amount of social worker whom sadly report that in a lot of child education place they know about A LOT of abuse, and a non negligible (and mental burden inducing) part of the work is to do triage, because they know they get (the number are made up) 50 report per week, but they only can 'investigate' about 20, and even if the 20 are really worrying, they can only launch action for 3 to 5, any more would overflow the dedicated services. And that's not they are lazy, investigating is really complicated (and often not even worth, the main goal is to help the victim, no chasing culprits) and acting worse. You are pretty sure some girl in bad social context is being abused ? with whom do you send her living ? the maybe abusing father ? The probably violent alcoolic uncle or the nice but drug dealing older brother (who maybe is not ready to support her education even with a little financial help) ? That can seems parodic but I've seen real conversations like that. The idea public services who cannot aldready read all the professionally redacted reports will suddently became omniscient because they can read my discord server private channel is funny. Hope some representative will jump on the occasion to request more social worker founds to treat the case we aldready know about.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
The UK was even worse in this regard, with asian sex gangs grooming kids while the police knew about it and choose to ignore it to not look racist for targeting minorities with dark skin. This move is all about surveillance and has nothing to do with keeping kids safe.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  Might be worth noting that the word "Asian" in the UK refers to what in the US would be called Indians. (And, in the details, the people in question here would actually be Pakistanis.)
  - Joeboy 4y ago
    Are Pakistanis considered Indian in the US?
    - jimmygrapes 4y ago
      At probably around the same rate Americans and Canadians are lumped together in India, that is, until you get to know them or they give some clear indication (flag, etc.)
      - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
        omnicognate 4y ago
        It's not equivalent because while "American" can mean "somebody from the Americas" it also has a common usage specifically to mean "someone from the USA". Hardly anyone says USAians, and the phrase "are you Canadian or American" is one readily understood by any anglophone. "Asian" has no corresponding usage in relation to India.
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        zbobet2012 4y ago
        American only refers to someone from the US in English. The correct demonym for someone from "the Americas" in English would be "Americanian". (Just as Bahamas -> Bahmanian) The other definition of American is a common confusion from Spanish and has never been in regular usage in the English language. That's because English doesn't have the concept of "America" to refer to both North and South America. Historically English defined the continents differently from Spanish, and never treated them as one.
        robonerd 4y ago
        > USA-ians This is never going to catch on, except in Latin America and with trollish Europeans baiting for responses online. Said outloud it sounds like "U.S. Asians", which is just going to make people confused. Nobody actually uses this demonym in America.
- hihihihi1234 4y ago
  Link for those interested in learning more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo... NB there have been several other similar scandals but Rotherham is the most famous.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    Abuse by pakistani origin men was happening in many towns for years (e.g. Huddersfield, Oxford, Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby ones all have wikipedia pages) and sadly the only people willing to speak up about it were English nationalist types like "muslamic ray guns" guy.
    - tyho 4y ago
      "muslamic ray guns" is a reference to a famous video from some very drunk working class guy, which was lampooned by almost everybody with a nice side of class snobbery. Since then the scandals regarding islamic rape gangs have become public, and it has since become clear that he was trying to say "islamic rape gangs", not "muslamic ray guns". It was an issue which exclusively affected deprived areas and working class people. They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. He is owed an apology.
      - concordDance 4y ago
        When the existance of your problems makes the people who make up the beurocracy uncomfortable or would violate their dearly held beliefs about how the world works they can ignore your problems for a very long time indeed.
      - car_analogy 4y ago
        > They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. Plenty of others could and did articulate it better. But it's so much easier to pick out and debunk the most inept of the disfavored side, and pretend they are representative of the rest, while highlighting only the most sympathetic of the favored side. A very basic and very effective propaganda technique.
- CaptainMarvel 4y ago
  The police chose to ignore it, but when we consider the full history of the police and wider institutions choosing to ignore children being abused in a variety of ways by a variety of people, the reason “not to look racist” is patently absurd.
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by GaelFG 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

The UK was even worse in this regard, with asian sex gangs grooming kids while the police knew about it and choose to ignore it to not look racist for targeting minorities with dark skin. This move is all about surveillance and has nothing to do with keeping kids safe.

thaumasiotes 4y ago
Might be worth noting that the word "Asian" in the UK refers to what in the US would be called Indians. (And, in the details, the people in question here would actually be Pakistanis.)
- Joeboy 4y ago
  Are Pakistanis considered Indian in the US?
  - jimmygrapes 4y ago
    At probably around the same rate Americans and Canadians are lumped together in India, that is, until you get to know them or they give some clear indication (flag, etc.)
    - pbhjpbhj 4y ago
      - omnicognate 4y ago
        It's not equivalent because while "American" can mean "somebody from the Americas" it also has a common usage specifically to mean "someone from the USA". Hardly anyone says USAians, and the phrase "are you Canadian or American" is one readily understood by any anglophone. "Asian" has no corresponding usage in relation to India.
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      - zbobet2012 4y ago
        American only refers to someone from the US in English. The correct demonym for someone from "the Americas" in English would be "Americanian". (Just as Bahamas -> Bahmanian) The other definition of American is a common confusion from Spanish and has never been in regular usage in the English language. That's because English doesn't have the concept of "America" to refer to both North and South America. Historically English defined the continents differently from Spanish, and never treated them as one.
      - robonerd 4y ago
        > USA-ians This is never going to catch on, except in Latin America and with trollish Europeans baiting for responses online. Said outloud it sounds like "U.S. Asians", which is just going to make people confused. Nobody actually uses this demonym in America.
hihihihi1234 4y ago
Link for those interested in learning more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_explo... NB there have been several other similar scandals but Rotherham is the most famous.
- concordDance 4y ago
  Abuse by pakistani origin men was happening in many towns for years (e.g. Huddersfield, Oxford, Rochdale, Newcastle, Derby ones all have wikipedia pages) and sadly the only people willing to speak up about it were English nationalist types like "muslamic ray guns" guy.
  - tyho 4y ago
    "muslamic ray guns" is a reference to a famous video from some very drunk working class guy, which was lampooned by almost everybody with a nice side of class snobbery. Since then the scandals regarding islamic rape gangs have become public, and it has since become clear that he was trying to say "islamic rape gangs", not "muslamic ray guns". It was an issue which exclusively affected deprived areas and working class people. They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. He is owed an apology.
    - concordDance 4y ago
      When the existance of your problems makes the people who make up the beurocracy uncomfortable or would violate their dearly held beliefs about how the world works they can ignore your problems for a very long time indeed.
    - car_analogy 4y ago
      > They knew what was happening but could not articulate it in a way which could be taken seriously by the establishment. Plenty of others could and did articulate it better. But it's so much easier to pick out and debunk the most inept of the disfavored side, and pretend they are representative of the rest, while highlighting only the most sympathetic of the favored side. A very basic and very effective propaganda technique.
CaptainMarvel 4y ago
The police chose to ignore it, but when we consider the full history of the police and wider institutions choosing to ignore children being abused in a variety of ways by a variety of people, the reason “not to look racist” is patently absurd.

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