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I'm pretty sure the vast majority of new HIV cases are in Africa, amongst heterosexual clients of sex workers. Maybe your 86% figure might apply in countries l

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of new HIV cases are in Africa, amongst heterosexual clients of sex workers. Maybe your 86% figure might apply in countries like the US where health care is a privilege and not a right. Your last sentence reminds me that COVID was going to be over by Christmas 2020...

Consultant32452 4y ago
How about the UK? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-hiv-diagnoses-in-gay-and-bisexual-men-at-their-lowest-in-20-years https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-hiv-diagnoses-in-gay-... >A new report by Public Health England shows that for the first time the number of new HIV diagnoses in gay and bisexual men outnumber new diagnoses in heterosexual adults by only 100 cases. So there's as many new HIV diagnoses among gay men as straight people, except gay men are only around 2% of the population. Notice you have to include all heterosexual people, not just the men, and it doesn't get up to just the cases among gay/bi men. The difference is staggering. I'm sorry, but the real world data doesn't match the mythology around HIV. You are right about prostitutes though, I should've included that as a risk factor.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
- bastawhiz 4y ago
  Does it surprise you that a sexually transmitted disease doesn't spread easily between people of different sexual orientations? > gay men are only around 2% of the population This is a dramatic underestimate by at least a factor of two. Only about 2% of boomers identify as gay, but it's five times that (or more!) if you ask younger generations. Unsurprisingly, younger folks have more sexual partners.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    The general trend of the younger generations is towards fewer sex partners, not more. Millennials had fewer sex partners than their parents. Gen Z had fewer still. There's not great numbers on gen Alpha, but it's unlikely to have leaped past millennials. All of LGBT combined is only about 3-4% of the population. I will grant you that it's entirely possible 90% of LGBT is gay/bi men. I don't know.
    - orwin 4y ago
      I can't find out the article, it was about the evolutionary advantage of having homosexual individuals in highly social species (penguins, wolves, cats), and the number was 4 to 5%. At that you can add dismorphia, heterosexuals with homosexual comportements and bisexuals, i wouldn't be surprised with a 10% figure.
      - Consultant32452 4y ago
        Are those numbers from the same people that tricked you into believing that HIV was not primarily a disease among men who have sex with men?
        orwin 4y ago
        I did not participate in the thread, i have no knowledge of HIV, so probably not. I am however interested in social comportements in cats clowder/colonies (I'm from the countryside and i saw interesting comportements), and i am pretty sure i was researching information on homosexuality in cats due to homosexual comportements in two non-castrated cats from the clowder (we called it a gang). I found interesting articles about hormonal triggers during pregnancy (a bit disproven by homosexuality amongst penguins imho, but I'm not a researcher), and multiple studying homosexuality amongst social animals in multiple settings. I'm sure about the 4 to 5%, the rest is bad extrapolation and shouldn't be taken into account (i thought that was clear). Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. Have a nice day!

Consultant32452 4y ago

How about the UK? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-hiv-diagnoses-in-gay-and-bisexual-men-at-their-lowest-in-20-years https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-hiv-diagnoses-in-gay-... >A new report by Public Health England shows that for the first time the number of new HIV diagnoses in gay and bisexual men outnumber new diagnoses in heterosexual adults by only 100 cases. So there's as many new HIV diagnoses among gay men as straight people, except gay men are only around 2% of the population. Notice you have to include all heterosexual people, not just the men, and it doesn't get up to just the cases among gay/bi men. The difference is staggering. I'm sorry, but the real world data doesn't match the mythology around HIV. You are right about prostitutes though, I should've included that as a risk factor.

Consultant32452 4y ago
bastawhiz 4y ago
Does it surprise you that a sexually transmitted disease doesn't spread easily between people of different sexual orientations? > gay men are only around 2% of the population This is a dramatic underestimate by at least a factor of two. Only about 2% of boomers identify as gay, but it's five times that (or more!) if you ask younger generations. Unsurprisingly, younger folks have more sexual partners.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  The general trend of the younger generations is towards fewer sex partners, not more. Millennials had fewer sex partners than their parents. Gen Z had fewer still. There's not great numbers on gen Alpha, but it's unlikely to have leaped past millennials. All of LGBT combined is only about 3-4% of the population. I will grant you that it's entirely possible 90% of LGBT is gay/bi men. I don't know.
  - orwin 4y ago
    I can't find out the article, it was about the evolutionary advantage of having homosexual individuals in highly social species (penguins, wolves, cats), and the number was 4 to 5%. At that you can add dismorphia, heterosexuals with homosexual comportements and bisexuals, i wouldn't be surprised with a 10% figure.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      Are those numbers from the same people that tricked you into believing that HIV was not primarily a disease among men who have sex with men?
      - orwin 4y ago
        I did not participate in the thread, i have no knowledge of HIV, so probably not. I am however interested in social comportements in cats clowder/colonies (I'm from the countryside and i saw interesting comportements), and i am pretty sure i was researching information on homosexuality in cats due to homosexual comportements in two non-castrated cats from the clowder (we called it a gang). I found interesting articles about hormonal triggers during pregnancy (a bit disproven by homosexuality amongst penguins imho, but I'm not a researcher), and multiple studying homosexuality amongst social animals in multiple settings. I'm sure about the 4 to 5%, the rest is bad extrapolation and shouldn't be taken into account (i thought that was clear). Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. Have a nice day!