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The future of ai generated content and entertainment is going to be wild! How long before we have ~unlimited high quality entertainment? Before an AI can gener

by tikkun 4y ago

The future of ai generated content and entertainment is going to be wild! How long before we have ~unlimited high quality entertainment? Before an AI can generate infinite episodes of your favorite show, podcast, comedian, and so on. Going to be an interesting thing to watch unfold.

annoyingnoob 4y ago
There is truth to the saying 'keep your audience wanting more'.
eismcc 4y ago
Reminds me of when cable tv became a thing and the “57 channels and nothing on” song https://youtu.be/YAlDbP4tdqc https://youtu.be/YAlDbP4tdqc
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  IIRC, it only became unbearable once HOme Shopping Network and extended infomercials became a thing. Before that, there was more scripted content even if it was just reruns.
- snek_case 4y ago
  Well, I think that ideally, if you have AI-generated content, the AI would generate content that's tailored specifically for you. It would have a good model of what you're interested in, and would know how to create an intrigue that you specifically will find interesting.
  - sitkack 4y ago
    It will be AI generated shopping channel dynamically generating products for you to buy on subscription. This one of the solutions to the Drake equation
    - dotnet00 4y ago
      This reminds me of Google's 'The Selfish Ledger' thought experiment video from a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVVo14A_fo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVVo14A_fo
      - sitkack 4y ago
        Wow
    - Melting_Harps 4y ago
      > It will be AI generated shopping channel dynamically generating products for you to buy on subscription. This one of the solutions to the Drake equation This is rather probable business model for non General-AI targeted at the end consumer, incidentally it too reads like an AI response: specifically the part about the Drake equation and reminds me of Carbon Based Lifeforms - MOS 6581, whose lyrics also sound like an AI repeating a story about horses and Mongols like OPs [0]. And the start of album is a track called Abiogenesis that has a repetition of the Drake Equation in it, no less. Putting all that together as a person that is actually studying AI/ML, I found it all rather freaky. Obviously, I know AI in it's current form is rather limited in it's capacity and scope but it makes for interesting lore none the less. Especially if it ever lives up to it's marketing hype. I'll be saving this post to look back at as I progress in my studies over the years. 0: https://genius.com/Carbon-based-lifeforms-mos-6581-lyrics https://genius.com/Carbon-based-lifeforms-mos-6581-lyrics
      - sitkack 4y ago
        We are using ML and the pointy end of capitalism to create traps for the human mind (at scale). This is dangerous.
        Melting_Harps 4y ago
        > We are using ML and the pointy end of capitalism to create traps for the human mind (at scale). This is dangerous. That remains to be seen, if the extent of ML thus far can be measured by it most ubiquitous use case then it's only pitfall is making people worse spellers than they already were. Autocorrect is a form of ML that quite honestly displays the MANY shortcomings at something that has been around for what? Nearly 20 years now? While concern is the main response to new things, I'm cautiously optimistic, I'm just finding that it's use-cases seem trivial more than impactful let alone existential.
woleium 4y ago
~unlimited twitter bot content!
- mdale 4y ago
  I think we already have that ;)
snek_case 4y ago
It's hard to say because even a model like GPT-3 is limited in its ability to generate a textual story that remains coherent over time. When you're talking about generating video, you need to have lots of story and visual details remaining coherent over a very long time horizon. Generally speaking, I think this is an area where deep neural networks are fairly weak and symbolic AI shines. It's much easier to program a symbolic AI that generates a story that remains coherent over time. Though you might argue that the story probably wouldn't be very interesting. There's probably something to be done with a hybrid model that uses symbolic AI to enforce coherency constraints, and a deep network model that fills in details and generates visuals. So yeah, I think we'd need new, much more sophisticated architectures. We'd also need a lot more compute, like 10x, 100x or maybe even 1000x more, to generate high-resolution video. Actually, the problem is probably not the amount of compute you need for inference, but the amount of compute you'd need to train a model with hundreds of billions of parameters or however much is needed to make that happen.
- labster 4y ago
  Having a story remain coherent over time is not a prerequisite of Hollywood blockbusters.
  - str34m 4y ago
  - taftster 4y ago
    Right. The Transformers comes to mind.
  - avereveard 4y ago
    Incoherency is not all bad, and choosing the subject carefully can be enough for the intrinsic weirdness of ai generation shine. I.e. this batman short: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4ArRmzHhQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4ArRmzHhQ (ai story and human drawing) provide a spot on jocker
    - 4y ago
kromem 4y ago
If AI's compounding effects continue to play out as they have, my answer to "when" is "sooner than most people think." At very least I can confidently say the next 20 years will have more disruption to society as a result of technology than the past 40.
lmm 4y ago
We've had practically unlimited entertainment for most purposes for at least the last couple of decades. There's far more e.g. TV being produced than anyone could watch in one lifetime.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  But there is a limit on Breaking Bad episodes, for example. Just pump out new episodes. Could even have The Simpsons / Groundhog Day - style state-reset after each episode. Therefore the AI can make anything happen (Walter gets killed) and the produce another episode because you know that is just a multiverse branch.
  - nonstickcoating 4y ago
    That just sounds horrible to me. Breaking Bad was interesting precisely because it had to end. It was about very specific characters, their changing motivations and development. Rebooting every episode just because the premise is kinda cool and someone wants more of it diminishes what the series achieved both visually and conceptually.
    - quickthrower2 4y ago
      I think once the original episodes are done you need to do something different. They went back in time and did a good series on the criminal lawyer. Now that is done. If you could watch 100 different mini action movies where anything could happen. Everyone could die or everyone becomes nice and gets a desk job. It is less predictable and would be a fun thing. What about you want to watch Law and Order SVU but just an average non-crazy day, fly on the wall style. I think that would be interesting.
      - nonstickcoating 4y ago
        I do not think different is a good qualifier for good television. As much as I'd like to see more about the character Mike for example, I would not like to see him in some action movie. His character shines in it's very personal moments, while his prowess regarding violence etc. need only to be hinted at. The action laden sequences are by far the least interesting aspect of Breaking Bad, serving at best as a somewhat believable and tension-relieving climaxes for emotionally taxing, morally difficult and thrilling parts of the show. The team behind Breaking Bad managed to tell a cohesive, character driven story despite all the creative restrictions making a show for a large TV network causes (think profitability, playing to as broad of a set of sensibilities as possible). Telling a thousand different stories in the same world and with the same characters drains them of believability and lessens the emotional impact of the stories significantly - they become arbitrary. Better Call Saul was a good show because it divorced one of the more important characters (but by far not a main character) almost entirely from the original and focused heavily on humor, with light aspects of drama. Breaking Bad was the other way around. Therefore, I cannot think of a show that is running for it's 21st season as anything more than at best the visual equivalent of easy listening music, at worst a continued cash grab by the studio producing and network distributing it. For a work of art to be meaningful, it needs to come to some kind of conclusion regarding it's content lest it reiterates the same points again and again, becoming boring in the proccess. Of course, there is something to be said in favor of easy listening music or TV productions intended mostly for basic entertainment, I recognise this discussion is largely predicated on taste. But I think calling something like that art misses the point that has made art historically so important for humans: The intentional representation of thoughts and experiences of the artist(s) in a specific medium meant to elucidate active engagement with the topics at hand. EDIT: Added a word for clarity.
userbinator 4y ago
Especially adult entertainment... which I suspect will be both wild and immensely creepy.
stevesearer 4y ago
I think about this a lot with regard to VR worlds generated based on your particular interests. Maybe you can already audio deep fake an AI-generated podcast conversation that would be listenable. So many buzzwords in there, but very creepy to think about.
narrator 4y ago
Before they neutered it, AI Dungeon with the GPT-3 "Dragon" backend which you had to pay for, was ridiculously imaginative when it came to erotica text prompts. For a few weeks, I got a glimpse of the future, because eventually somebody's going to make that.
bitwize 4y ago
> The future of ai generated content and entertainment is going to be wild! Someone at Netflix is looking at this, rubbing their hands together with dollar signs in their eyes.
nathancahill 4y ago
We've got color TV, but it still isn't satisfying.
- tines 4y ago
  Holy shit another Cake fan. Greetings!
bamboozled 4y ago
You’ll get this when you have access to unlimited energy ?
tablespoon 4y ago
> How long before we have ~unlimited high quality entertainment? Before an AI can generate infinite episodes of your favorite show, podcast, comedian, and so on. > Going to be an interesting thing to watch unfold. Not really. If it's actually successful, it will probably devolve into near total fragmentation. So just imagine people more being isolated and lonely, with fewer points of connection. They used to entertain each other; then they consumed the same entertainment together; then they stopped sharing anything all, because it became so personalized.
yreg 4y ago
An obvious application would be creation of rich (MMO) worlds where each player goes on unique quests. IIRC NovelAI (one of the AIDungeon clones) is working on this. Also: Open-ended NPC dialogues.
termy 4y ago
You're joking
pelorat 4y ago
When we rolled over to 2020 I put down ten predictions in my calendar for where we'd be in 2030. I don't remember all of them, but I know one of them was that by 2030 we'd be in the beginning stages of AGI-like intelligence and that some of them would have begun to solve real problems for us in mathematics, physics and biology. Some of my predictions that I wrote down: 1. There will exist an experimental commercial fusion reactor that has achieved a continuous Q>1. 2. A true quantum computer will have solved a real world problem in math's or physics. 3. We'll be at the threshold for AGI-like specialized intelligence. 4. ML & AI research will have cracked several diseases, one of them Alzheimer's. 5. We're back on the Moon with a small base. 6. Protein folding is a solved problem using ML and QC. I'm looking forward to revisit them in 2030, but I feel like we're on the right path.

by tikkun 4y ago

annoyingnoob 4y ago

There is truth to the saying 'keep your audience wanting more'.

eismcc 4y ago

Reminds me of when cable tv became a thing and the “57 channels and nothing on” song https://youtu.be/YAlDbP4tdqc https://youtu.be/YAlDbP4tdqc

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
IIRC, it only became unbearable once HOme Shopping Network and extended infomercials became a thing. Before that, there was more scripted content even if it was just reruns.
snek_case 4y ago
Well, I think that ideally, if you have AI-generated content, the AI would generate content that's tailored specifically for you. It would have a good model of what you're interested in, and would know how to create an intrigue that you specifically will find interesting.
- sitkack 4y ago
  It will be AI generated shopping channel dynamically generating products for you to buy on subscription. This one of the solutions to the Drake equation
  - dotnet00 4y ago
    This reminds me of Google's 'The Selfish Ledger' thought experiment video from a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVVo14A_fo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVVo14A_fo
    - sitkack 4y ago
      Wow
  - Melting_Harps 4y ago
    > It will be AI generated shopping channel dynamically generating products for you to buy on subscription. This one of the solutions to the Drake equation This is rather probable business model for non General-AI targeted at the end consumer, incidentally it too reads like an AI response: specifically the part about the Drake equation and reminds me of Carbon Based Lifeforms - MOS 6581, whose lyrics also sound like an AI repeating a story about horses and Mongols like OPs [0]. And the start of album is a track called Abiogenesis that has a repetition of the Drake Equation in it, no less. Putting all that together as a person that is actually studying AI/ML, I found it all rather freaky. Obviously, I know AI in it's current form is rather limited in it's capacity and scope but it makes for interesting lore none the less. Especially if it ever lives up to it's marketing hype. I'll be saving this post to look back at as I progress in my studies over the years. 0: https://genius.com/Carbon-based-lifeforms-mos-6581-lyrics https://genius.com/Carbon-based-lifeforms-mos-6581-lyrics
    - sitkack 4y ago
      We are using ML and the pointy end of capitalism to create traps for the human mind (at scale). This is dangerous.
      - Melting_Harps 4y ago
        > We are using ML and the pointy end of capitalism to create traps for the human mind (at scale). This is dangerous. That remains to be seen, if the extent of ML thus far can be measured by it most ubiquitous use case then it's only pitfall is making people worse spellers than they already were. Autocorrect is a form of ML that quite honestly displays the MANY shortcomings at something that has been around for what? Nearly 20 years now? While concern is the main response to new things, I'm cautiously optimistic, I'm just finding that it's use-cases seem trivial more than impactful let alone existential.

woleium 4y ago

~unlimited twitter bot content!

mdale 4y ago
I think we already have that ;)

snek_case 4y ago

It's hard to say because even a model like GPT-3 is limited in its ability to generate a textual story that remains coherent over time. When you're talking about generating video, you need to have lots of story and visual details remaining coherent over a very long time horizon. Generally speaking, I think this is an area where deep neural networks are fairly weak and symbolic AI shines. It's much easier to program a symbolic AI that generates a story that remains coherent over time. Though you might argue that the story probably wouldn't be very interesting. There's probably something to be done with a hybrid model that uses symbolic AI to enforce coherency constraints, and a deep network model that fills in details and generates visuals. So yeah, I think we'd need new, much more sophisticated architectures. We'd also need a lot more compute, like 10x, 100x or maybe even 1000x more, to generate high-resolution video. Actually, the problem is probably not the amount of compute you need for inference, but the amount of compute you'd need to train a model with hundreds of billions of parameters or however much is needed to make that happen.

labster 4y ago
Having a story remain coherent over time is not a prerequisite of Hollywood blockbusters.
- str34m 4y ago
- taftster 4y ago
  Right. The Transformers comes to mind.
- avereveard 4y ago
  Incoherency is not all bad, and choosing the subject carefully can be enough for the intrinsic weirdness of ai generation shine. I.e. this batman short: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4ArRmzHhQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4ArRmzHhQ (ai story and human drawing) provide a spot on jocker
  - 4y ago

kromem 4y ago

If AI's compounding effects continue to play out as they have, my answer to "when" is "sooner than most people think." At very least I can confidently say the next 20 years will have more disruption to society as a result of technology than the past 40.

lmm 4y ago

We've had practically unlimited entertainment for most purposes for at least the last couple of decades. There's far more e.g. TV being produced than anyone could watch in one lifetime.

quickthrower2 4y ago
But there is a limit on Breaking Bad episodes, for example. Just pump out new episodes. Could even have The Simpsons / Groundhog Day - style state-reset after each episode. Therefore the AI can make anything happen (Walter gets killed) and the produce another episode because you know that is just a multiverse branch.
- nonstickcoating 4y ago
  That just sounds horrible to me. Breaking Bad was interesting precisely because it had to end. It was about very specific characters, their changing motivations and development. Rebooting every episode just because the premise is kinda cool and someone wants more of it diminishes what the series achieved both visually and conceptually.
  - quickthrower2 4y ago
    I think once the original episodes are done you need to do something different. They went back in time and did a good series on the criminal lawyer. Now that is done. If you could watch 100 different mini action movies where anything could happen. Everyone could die or everyone becomes nice and gets a desk job. It is less predictable and would be a fun thing. What about you want to watch Law and Order SVU but just an average non-crazy day, fly on the wall style. I think that would be interesting.
    - nonstickcoating 4y ago
      I do not think different is a good qualifier for good television. As much as I'd like to see more about the character Mike for example, I would not like to see him in some action movie. His character shines in it's very personal moments, while his prowess regarding violence etc. need only to be hinted at. The action laden sequences are by far the least interesting aspect of Breaking Bad, serving at best as a somewhat believable and tension-relieving climaxes for emotionally taxing, morally difficult and thrilling parts of the show. The team behind Breaking Bad managed to tell a cohesive, character driven story despite all the creative restrictions making a show for a large TV network causes (think profitability, playing to as broad of a set of sensibilities as possible). Telling a thousand different stories in the same world and with the same characters drains them of believability and lessens the emotional impact of the stories significantly - they become arbitrary. Better Call Saul was a good show because it divorced one of the more important characters (but by far not a main character) almost entirely from the original and focused heavily on humor, with light aspects of drama. Breaking Bad was the other way around. Therefore, I cannot think of a show that is running for it's 21st season as anything more than at best the visual equivalent of easy listening music, at worst a continued cash grab by the studio producing and network distributing it. For a work of art to be meaningful, it needs to come to some kind of conclusion regarding it's content lest it reiterates the same points again and again, becoming boring in the proccess. Of course, there is something to be said in favor of easy listening music or TV productions intended mostly for basic entertainment, I recognise this discussion is largely predicated on taste. But I think calling something like that art misses the point that has made art historically so important for humans: The intentional representation of thoughts and experiences of the artist(s) in a specific medium meant to elucidate active engagement with the topics at hand. EDIT: Added a word for clarity.

userbinator 4y ago

Especially adult entertainment... which I suspect will be both wild and immensely creepy.

stevesearer 4y ago

I think about this a lot with regard to VR worlds generated based on your particular interests. Maybe you can already audio deep fake an AI-generated podcast conversation that would be listenable. So many buzzwords in there, but very creepy to think about.

narrator 4y ago

Before they neutered it, AI Dungeon with the GPT-3 "Dragon" backend which you had to pay for, was ridiculously imaginative when it came to erotica text prompts. For a few weeks, I got a glimpse of the future, because eventually somebody's going to make that.

bitwize 4y ago

> The future of ai generated content and entertainment is going to be wild! Someone at Netflix is looking at this, rubbing their hands together with dollar signs in their eyes.

nathancahill 4y ago

We've got color TV, but it still isn't satisfying.

tines 4y ago
Holy shit another Cake fan. Greetings!

bamboozled 4y ago

You’ll get this when you have access to unlimited energy ?

tablespoon 4y ago

> How long before we have ~unlimited high quality entertainment? Before an AI can generate infinite episodes of your favorite show, podcast, comedian, and so on. > Going to be an interesting thing to watch unfold. Not really. If it's actually successful, it will probably devolve into near total fragmentation. So just imagine people more being isolated and lonely, with fewer points of connection. They used to entertain each other; then they consumed the same entertainment together; then they stopped sharing anything all, because it became so personalized.

yreg 4y ago

An obvious application would be creation of rich (MMO) worlds where each player goes on unique quests. IIRC NovelAI (one of the AIDungeon clones) is working on this. Also: Open-ended NPC dialogues.

termy 4y ago

You're joking

pelorat 4y ago

When we rolled over to 2020 I put down ten predictions in my calendar for where we'd be in 2030. I don't remember all of them, but I know one of them was that by 2030 we'd be in the beginning stages of AGI-like intelligence and that some of them would have begun to solve real problems for us in mathematics, physics and biology. Some of my predictions that I wrote down: 1. There will exist an experimental commercial fusion reactor that has achieved a continuous Q>1. 2. A true quantum computer will have solved a real world problem in math's or physics. 3. We'll be at the threshold for AGI-like specialized intelligence. 4. ML & AI research will have cracked several diseases, one of them Alzheimer's. 5. We're back on the Moon with a small base. 6. Protein folding is a solved problem using ML and QC. I'm looking forward to revisit them in 2030, but I feel like we're on the right path.