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Movska was an old ship, and was under consideration for scuttle, and like lots of old things had things that didn't work. From what I've read, the Moskva didn't

Movska was an old ship, and was under consideration for scuttle, and like lots of old things had things that didn't work. From what I've read, the Moskva didn't even have its anti-missile defense systems online. Probably never saw the attack coming. https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1522608680595865606 https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1522608680595865606 https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1522643831736332288 https://twitter.com/GrangerE04117/status/1522643831736332288 https://news.usni.org/2022/05/05/warship-moskva-was-blind-to-ukrainian-missile-attack-analysis-shows https://news.usni.org/2022/05/05/warship-moskva-was-blind-to... Don't have other sources handy, sorry.

kspacewalk2 4y ago
In fact Moskva was refurbished in 2021, played a critical role in protecting the entire Black Sea Fleet whenever it left port with its very much online S-300 SAM, and likely didn't see the attack coming because of operator error and being distracted by the Bayraktar drone, not because of any lack of equipment.
anovikov 4y ago
It couldn't have it's main missile defence system engage these missiles because it only operates in 180 degree sector and the ship was turned into opposite direction because it was alerted by a decoy force of Bayraktar drones. CIWS could fire though, and apparently they did fire, but missed.
_kbh_ 4y ago
I find it hard to believe that a flag ship of a navy that was repaired in 2020 and was set to be in use until 2040, was meant to be scuttled in 2022. https://tass.com/defense/1173927 https://tass.com/defense/1173927
frostburg 4y ago
The Moskva had been recently refitted (possibly this involved embezzling the pertintent funds, but still), "it was ready to be scuttled" is just propaganda aimed at understating the loss.
trasz 4y ago
It was - for western standards. For Russian standards it was a flagship, and - as mentioned above - a critically important one.

kspacewalk2 4y ago

In fact Moskva was refurbished in 2021, played a critical role in protecting the entire Black Sea Fleet whenever it left port with its very much online S-300 SAM, and likely didn't see the attack coming because of operator error and being distracted by the Bayraktar drone, not because of any lack of equipment.

anovikov 4y ago

It couldn't have it's main missile defence system engage these missiles because it only operates in 180 degree sector and the ship was turned into opposite direction because it was alerted by a decoy force of Bayraktar drones. CIWS could fire though, and apparently they did fire, but missed.

_kbh_ 4y ago

I find it hard to believe that a flag ship of a navy that was repaired in 2020 and was set to be in use until 2040, was meant to be scuttled in 2022. https://tass.com/defense/1173927 https://tass.com/defense/1173927

frostburg 4y ago

The Moskva had been recently refitted (possibly this involved embezzling the pertintent funds, but still), "it was ready to be scuttled" is just propaganda aimed at understating the loss.

trasz 4y ago

It was - for western standards. For Russian standards it was a flagship, and - as mentioned above - a critically important one.