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> the other alternative is that they are not interested in reducing their or their kids chances of death from some disease. But that is not possible That's a b

> the other alternative is that they are not interested in reducing their or their kids chances of death from some disease. But that is not possible That's a bold claim. There's plenty of people against resuscitation, blood transfusion, organ transplants and other medical practices that are safe and clearly save lives. Like in the case of vaccines, some people have other values guiding them, and one of these principle is not having something imposed on them. Regarding vaccines, safer than what, exactly? How "safe" is "safe enough"? Have you ever compared the safety profile of vaccines vs other commonly used medication?

strangethrawy 4y ago
> That's a bold claim. But where are the groups for "anti-organ transplants", or "anti-blood transfusion" etc? One does not often come across references to them on online forms, I think. So clearly we are talking about a substantially large population here. >How "safe" is "safe enough" Quite subjective, so I am not going to answer that. But that is also besides the point. Point is people are called anti-vaxxer, if they doubt the safety of vaccines. Case in point is given below. https://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c4001.abstract https://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c4001.abstract
- sokoloff 4y ago
  I haven’t seen laws proposed to mandate transfusions or organ transplants against the wishes of the recipient. If such laws were proposed, you’d rightly hear people objecting to them.
- gattilorenz 4y ago
  > But where are the groups for "anti-organ transplants", or "anti-blood transfusion" etc? One does not often come across references to them on online forms, I think Conveniently leaving out DNR, I see :) > Point is people are called anti-vaxxer, if they doubt the safety of vaccines People are called anti-vaxxers for a number of reasons, including - but not limited to - the one you mention.
  - tresqotheq 4y ago
    >Conveniently leaving out DNR, I see :) Was not intentional. > People are called anti-vaxxers for a number of reasons, including - but not limited to - the one you mention. Then I think that group asking for safer vaccines should be called "safe-vaxxers", right?
    - gattilorenz 4y ago
      > Then I think that group asking for safer vaccines should be called "safe-vaxxers", right? Sure, if you get the general speakers of English to agree on it, it might reflect a nuance that the current term misses. I have the feeling though that most people don't care, since the term "anti-vaxxers" is not used by sociologists or by people that do not want to be vaccinated for reason X, and is instead used by the average person in an argument.

strangethrawy 4y ago

> That's a bold claim. But where are the groups for "anti-organ transplants", or "anti-blood transfusion" etc? One does not often come across references to them on online forms, I think. So clearly we are talking about a substantially large population here. >How "safe" is "safe enough" Quite subjective, so I am not going to answer that. But that is also besides the point. Point is people are called anti-vaxxer, if they doubt the safety of vaccines. Case in point is given below. https://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c4001.abstract https://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c4001.abstract

sokoloff 4y ago
I haven’t seen laws proposed to mandate transfusions or organ transplants against the wishes of the recipient. If such laws were proposed, you’d rightly hear people objecting to them.
gattilorenz 4y ago
> But where are the groups for "anti-organ transplants", or "anti-blood transfusion" etc? One does not often come across references to them on online forms, I think Conveniently leaving out DNR, I see :) > Point is people are called anti-vaxxer, if they doubt the safety of vaccines People are called anti-vaxxers for a number of reasons, including - but not limited to - the one you mention.
- tresqotheq 4y ago
  >Conveniently leaving out DNR, I see :) Was not intentional. > People are called anti-vaxxers for a number of reasons, including - but not limited to - the one you mention. Then I think that group asking for safer vaccines should be called "safe-vaxxers", right?
  - gattilorenz 4y ago
    > Then I think that group asking for safer vaccines should be called "safe-vaxxers", right? Sure, if you get the general speakers of English to agree on it, it might reflect a nuance that the current term misses. I have the feeling though that most people don't care, since the term "anti-vaxxers" is not used by sociologists or by people that do not want to be vaccinated for reason X, and is instead used by the average person in an argument.