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I'm a bit surprised, I would have guessed publishing permit holder locations would have lead to organized and targeted attempts to monitor and steal guns from t

I'm a bit surprised, I would have guessed publishing permit holder locations would have lead to organized and targeted attempts to monitor and steal guns from the households listed. (In the same sort of way I'd expect people to smash and grab a truck with an NRA sticker to maybe find a gun in the glove box.) Edit: Would it be different if the publication didn't bin by zip code?

nostromo 4y ago
Targeting and burglarizing homes of known gun-owners seems like a great way to have a very short criminal career.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Pretty sure they break in when no one is home. Guns are second to cash in terms of desirability for robbers.
  - stevenicr 4y ago
    Pretty sure you are right, and many will knock / ring the door to ask if you want some tree service or if you are selling a car or something if someone answers. If no one answers and no dog barks..
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  Happens all the time. Guns are almost as easy as drugs to sell/fence. Also, folks doing cat burglar stuff obviously don't have good risk estimation going on in the first place. But on top of that, most home robberies happen during daylight work hours, when the person breaking in has already identified the house is empty. The movie/tv scenario of a dude in all black breaking in at night with a flashlight is more exceptional.
- queuebert 4y ago
  I don't know about homes, but I suspect there is a reason that Nashville is #1 in thefts of guns from cars.
  - outgunned 4y ago
    I’m not tracking - what is the implication? Anecdotally, was in Nashville for a work training event at a Fairfield near the new Grand Ol’ Opry. Of the 2 dozen attendees, all with anything remotely “gun” suggestive had their trucks burglarized at the hotel. Several lost weapons during the burglaries.
    - queuebert 4y ago
      Gun ownership is common here, as is (apparently) leaving the guns in cars. Criminals need an illegal source of guns, since they can't pass a background check, so they steal them from the copious amounts of cars containing them.
      - yeetawayhn 4y ago
        >Gun ownership is common here, as is (apparently) leaving the guns in cars. Would you prefer that they take them into the business, regardless of whether it is posted to not allow carry?
  - stevenicr 4y ago
    There are several reasons for this. One being that we currently can not (currently legally) use deadly force to protect property like they can in Texas.. Although the desire to change that is changing bit by bit every week as hundreds of cars are broken into every week (and have been). Two is that cops here have not pursued car break-ins very well imho. Even when you call them with video evidence, a license plate, full description of act in progress.. crickets.. everyone knows this - and it makes it worse. I went to a MNPD meeting a couple years ago and they had proof that criminals were targeting two particular locations in the area in which the business had the TSA thing Posted saying you have to leave guns in your car, can't being them in. Another factor is that juveniles have particular high reward and low risk of punishment. Everyone knows it - and they use it to their advantage a lot. There's nest cam video of one woman following her kids in her car while they hit car after car / house after house. Every other week the cops put our a report saying lock your car, so many guns stolen this week - blah blah.. it's like they are blaming the victims instead of helping to do more policing. This isn't a dig at the cops - I get it, they are understaffed, have lots of priorities and even when they catch people they often do no time.. so why go chasing after some kids that are likely to shoot back at you (which they did to some cops about 18 months ago or so) Yes other reasons include that there are lots of guns in and around Nashville. So the odds of getting one when you break into a car are higher than in NY or Frisco I guess. Another thing is that gun safes for a car are not optimal at this time. Sure if you have a one of the few vehicles they make direct fit safes for, you can spend a couple bills and get a good one - but we need better options. There are of course many other factors, income inequality and so many other things of course, it's a long list, I hate to see people try to point at any one thing and say 'yeah if that then this would't be a thing' - So I've been brainstorming this now again for a while, and chatted with an auto-body shop guy for a bit and am thinking of a combination of an existing safe option that is around 20 bucks combined with a metal U that goes around the part of the passenger seat thing and locks similar to a clamp on cables like a dog runner - this kind of thing could make a huge impact and I should spend some more time on it.
- rco8786 4y ago
  Guns are one of the most common things burglars are looking for when they’re robbing a home. Contrary to some popular rhetoric, people with guns effectively never stop crimes in progress.
  - matt-attack 4y ago
    Hmm you sure about that? It literally just happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-confrontation-with-homeowner-in-walnut/ar-AAXzgH4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-... Have you considered the possibility that your media sources intentionally withhold such news cases such that you’ve evidently been left with a confused view of the reality?
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    - rco8786 4y ago
      Every week people win the lottery too.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    Even the lowest estimates by pro gun control groups and researches put defensive gun uses in the US at 55k+ a year. Most estimates range from 500k to several million a year.
    - rco8786 4y ago
      Those all include police and other security personnel usages as far as I am aware. I guess my statement lacked the proper context but I’m focused more on private gun ownership. The idea that having a gun in our home is ample protection from a burglar, for instance, is rooted in an egotistical vision of ourselves saving the day from the bad guy. Not any sort of reality. It happens, but it is exceedingly rare and you’re much more likely to have that gun stolen or injure someone by accident than you are to stop a home invader.
- Glyptodon 4y ago
  Waiting for people to leave their house for work and such seems low risk?
jt2190 4y ago
Aren’t you assuming that the risk/reward of breaking into a house to steal a firearm is lower that trying to acquire one by other means? (Illegal arms dealers, using false or stolen credentials, etc.)

nostromo 4y ago

Targeting and burglarizing homes of known gun-owners seems like a great way to have a very short criminal career.

JKCalhoun 4y ago
Pretty sure they break in when no one is home. Guns are second to cash in terms of desirability for robbers.
- stevenicr 4y ago
  Pretty sure you are right, and many will knock / ring the door to ask if you want some tree service or if you are selling a car or something if someone answers. If no one answers and no dog barks..
jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
Happens all the time. Guns are almost as easy as drugs to sell/fence. Also, folks doing cat burglar stuff obviously don't have good risk estimation going on in the first place. But on top of that, most home robberies happen during daylight work hours, when the person breaking in has already identified the house is empty. The movie/tv scenario of a dude in all black breaking in at night with a flashlight is more exceptional.
queuebert 4y ago
I don't know about homes, but I suspect there is a reason that Nashville is #1 in thefts of guns from cars.
- outgunned 4y ago
  I’m not tracking - what is the implication? Anecdotally, was in Nashville for a work training event at a Fairfield near the new Grand Ol’ Opry. Of the 2 dozen attendees, all with anything remotely “gun” suggestive had their trucks burglarized at the hotel. Several lost weapons during the burglaries.
  - queuebert 4y ago
    Gun ownership is common here, as is (apparently) leaving the guns in cars. Criminals need an illegal source of guns, since they can't pass a background check, so they steal them from the copious amounts of cars containing them.
    - yeetawayhn 4y ago
      >Gun ownership is common here, as is (apparently) leaving the guns in cars. Would you prefer that they take them into the business, regardless of whether it is posted to not allow carry?
- stevenicr 4y ago
  There are several reasons for this. One being that we currently can not (currently legally) use deadly force to protect property like they can in Texas.. Although the desire to change that is changing bit by bit every week as hundreds of cars are broken into every week (and have been). Two is that cops here have not pursued car break-ins very well imho. Even when you call them with video evidence, a license plate, full description of act in progress.. crickets.. everyone knows this - and it makes it worse. I went to a MNPD meeting a couple years ago and they had proof that criminals were targeting two particular locations in the area in which the business had the TSA thing Posted saying you have to leave guns in your car, can't being them in. Another factor is that juveniles have particular high reward and low risk of punishment. Everyone knows it - and they use it to their advantage a lot. There's nest cam video of one woman following her kids in her car while they hit car after car / house after house. Every other week the cops put our a report saying lock your car, so many guns stolen this week - blah blah.. it's like they are blaming the victims instead of helping to do more policing. This isn't a dig at the cops - I get it, they are understaffed, have lots of priorities and even when they catch people they often do no time.. so why go chasing after some kids that are likely to shoot back at you (which they did to some cops about 18 months ago or so) Yes other reasons include that there are lots of guns in and around Nashville. So the odds of getting one when you break into a car are higher than in NY or Frisco I guess. Another thing is that gun safes for a car are not optimal at this time. Sure if you have a one of the few vehicles they make direct fit safes for, you can spend a couple bills and get a good one - but we need better options. There are of course many other factors, income inequality and so many other things of course, it's a long list, I hate to see people try to point at any one thing and say 'yeah if that then this would't be a thing' - So I've been brainstorming this now again for a while, and chatted with an auto-body shop guy for a bit and am thinking of a combination of an existing safe option that is around 20 bucks combined with a metal U that goes around the part of the passenger seat thing and locks similar to a clamp on cables like a dog runner - this kind of thing could make a huge impact and I should spend some more time on it.
rco8786 4y ago
Guns are one of the most common things burglars are looking for when they’re robbing a home. Contrary to some popular rhetoric, people with guns effectively never stop crimes in progress.
- matt-attack 4y ago
  Hmm you sure about that? It literally just happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-confrontation-with-homeowner-in-walnut/ar-AAXzgH4 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/intruder-shot-in-armed-... Have you considered the possibility that your media sources intentionally withhold such news cases such that you’ve evidently been left with a confused view of the reality?
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  - rco8786 4y ago
    Every week people win the lottery too.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  Even the lowest estimates by pro gun control groups and researches put defensive gun uses in the US at 55k+ a year. Most estimates range from 500k to several million a year.
  - rco8786 4y ago
    Those all include police and other security personnel usages as far as I am aware. I guess my statement lacked the proper context but I’m focused more on private gun ownership. The idea that having a gun in our home is ample protection from a burglar, for instance, is rooted in an egotistical vision of ourselves saving the day from the bad guy. Not any sort of reality. It happens, but it is exceedingly rare and you’re much more likely to have that gun stolen or injure someone by accident than you are to stop a home invader.
Glyptodon 4y ago
Waiting for people to leave their house for work and such seems low risk?

jt2190 4y ago

Aren’t you assuming that the risk/reward of breaking into a house to steal a firearm is lower that trying to acquire one by other means? (Illegal arms dealers, using false or stolen credentials, etc.)