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Tesla is an awesome company with so much potential. However, it's infatuation with Autopilot/self-driving/whatyouwannacallit is an almost impossible problem to

Tesla is an awesome company with so much potential. However, it's infatuation with Autopilot/self-driving/whatyouwannacallit is an almost impossible problem to solve with potentially fatal consequences as this news shows, and it diverts unnecessary resources from the company in creating a truly great electric vehicle. It's a strategic mistake from management imo.

hef19898 4y ago
Mid term stuff like full self-driving and robot taxis keep the valuation up. So it is working, in a way. A risky way, sure, but for now it works.
manuelabeledo 4y ago
> Tesla is an awesome company with so much potential. I used to think the same, but after some years, I came to the realisation that Tesla is just the Silicon Valley's idea of a car company. They have been releasing unfinished products with glaring quality defects for a while now, and they have overpromised almost since the very beginning. I honestly can't wait for more car makers to go fully electric, so consumers have better choices.
- ghaff 4y ago
  It's fair to say that Tesla turned the heat up on electric vehicles and the associated charging network. So, yes, over the coming years I expect we'll see much more innovation in this area from established manufacturers (or even other new ones). But not sure how Tesla itself will play out.
- macinjosh 4y ago
  I think the quality issues might have something to do with US auto manufacturing as well. I bought a new Ford in 2020 and the thing has had so many quality issues I am never buying another American car again. I just don't think the culture values doing quality work and building quality things because it costs too much and takes too much time and the current fiscal quarter is always almost over.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > I honestly can't wait for more car makers to go fully electric, so consumers have better choices. You assume they won't try and copy the Tesla product development cycle as well.
  - MBCook 4y ago
    So far they haven’t. I think Ford, GM, VW, etc. have been on the end of enough accidents, recalls, and lawsuits to understand the dangers and consequences of what they’re doing and have their own safety standards even if all government standards went away overnight. So I don’t think it will happen for them. Tesla is not operating that way. I don’t see how they don’t end up at a reckoning. This probably isn’t it. But it seems like it’s coming.
- effingwewt 4y ago
  They are a Video game company. Unfinished products, forever in beta, DLC available before the finished product, QOL as DLC along with necessities (faster charging shouldn't be optional, now they are financially incentivized to slow charging down for forced upgrades), give us all your info so we can sell it, TOS 50 pages long and illegible except to the most hardened of contract lawyers, and not even then (this case is a perfect example- who is to blame, etc). When some of us warned of this shit from the start we were called luddites, impeding progress, boomers afraid of the future. I still want my promised hoverboard, instead we get an upgraded cruise control DLC laden car that kills people while claiming you can watch movies and sleep while it drives you.
rvz 4y ago
FSD and Autopilot are both a scam and Tesla knows it. Both of them do not function as advertised and have proven to be a risk to driver safety. It is about time that this feature is being under investigation.
- alfor 4y ago
  FSD beta is very good, they are countless video of it saving lives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF96jQ0SY8w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF96jQ0SY8w In those clips you see the fsd computer avoiding accidents form the sides and the back, cases where we humans cannot see before it’s too late. It’s not perfect yet, but it will be superhuman in term of safety in the near future.

hef19898 4y ago

Mid term stuff like full self-driving and robot taxis keep the valuation up. So it is working, in a way. A risky way, sure, but for now it works.

manuelabeledo 4y ago

> Tesla is an awesome company with so much potential. I used to think the same, but after some years, I came to the realisation that Tesla is just the Silicon Valley's idea of a car company. They have been releasing unfinished products with glaring quality defects for a while now, and they have overpromised almost since the very beginning. I honestly can't wait for more car makers to go fully electric, so consumers have better choices.

ghaff 4y ago
It's fair to say that Tesla turned the heat up on electric vehicles and the associated charging network. So, yes, over the coming years I expect we'll see much more innovation in this area from established manufacturers (or even other new ones). But not sure how Tesla itself will play out.
macinjosh 4y ago
I think the quality issues might have something to do with US auto manufacturing as well. I bought a new Ford in 2020 and the thing has had so many quality issues I am never buying another American car again. I just don't think the culture values doing quality work and building quality things because it costs too much and takes too much time and the current fiscal quarter is always almost over.
mlindner 4y ago
> I honestly can't wait for more car makers to go fully electric, so consumers have better choices. You assume they won't try and copy the Tesla product development cycle as well.
- MBCook 4y ago
  So far they haven’t. I think Ford, GM, VW, etc. have been on the end of enough accidents, recalls, and lawsuits to understand the dangers and consequences of what they’re doing and have their own safety standards even if all government standards went away overnight. So I don’t think it will happen for them. Tesla is not operating that way. I don’t see how they don’t end up at a reckoning. This probably isn’t it. But it seems like it’s coming.
effingwewt 4y ago
They are a Video game company. Unfinished products, forever in beta, DLC available before the finished product, QOL as DLC along with necessities (faster charging shouldn't be optional, now they are financially incentivized to slow charging down for forced upgrades), give us all your info so we can sell it, TOS 50 pages long and illegible except to the most hardened of contract lawyers, and not even then (this case is a perfect example- who is to blame, etc). When some of us warned of this shit from the start we were called luddites, impeding progress, boomers afraid of the future. I still want my promised hoverboard, instead we get an upgraded cruise control DLC laden car that kills people while claiming you can watch movies and sleep while it drives you.

rvz 4y ago

FSD and Autopilot are both a scam and Tesla knows it. Both of them do not function as advertised and have proven to be a risk to driver safety. It is about time that this feature is being under investigation.

alfor 4y ago
FSD beta is very good, they are countless video of it saving lives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF96jQ0SY8w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF96jQ0SY8w In those clips you see the fsd computer avoiding accidents form the sides and the back, cases where we humans cannot see before it’s too late. It’s not perfect yet, but it will be superhuman in term of safety in the near future.