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The NY Times documentary investigating Autopilot deaths comes out tonight on FX/Hulu: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/insider/elon-musk-documentary.html http

The NY Times documentary investigating Autopilot deaths comes out tonight on FX/Hulu: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/insider/elon-musk-documentary.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/20/insider/elon-musk-documen...

belter 4y ago
When recently asked about the deaths, this was the most recent comment from the Tesla CEO (correct time): https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3170 https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3170 I find the comment "...we also know we are going to be sued...": https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3325 https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3325 interesting grounds, for a lawyer request for internal Tesla emails via a legal discovery process.
- verve_rat 4y ago
  Wow, that interview is a train wreck.
  - plutonorm 4y ago
    we must have watched different interviews.
    - spiderice 4y ago
      Seriously. I thought those answers were great! He knows that even if Tesla does what is right, they're still going to get sued. So they're going to do what is right anyway. Super cool answer.
- FartyMcFarter 4y ago
  The statement that Tesla is "doing the right thing" has a lot of optimistic assumptions behind it. To start with, Tesla assumes they will be able to accomplish self driving with the hardware they have. They also assume they need the system to drive on public roads (as opposed to simulations and private roads) to achieve this. They say that data collected from driving on public roads will get them there, even though this is a for-now-unsolved research problem in AI. Furthermore, Musk seems to claim every year that Level 4 autonomous driving is within 6-18 months, going back to almost 10 years ago. For now I feel there are too many people letting Tesla stick with their optimistic predictions and statements that they're "doing the right thing". Maybe the New York Times documentary that is about to come out will change this.
  - phkahler 4y ago
    >> To start with, Tesla assumes they will be able to accomplish self driving with the hardware they have. This is an absolute joke. There are videos of the autonomous "come pick me up" feature - whatever it's called - absolutely failing. One of them even runs into an airplane and pushes it around. Sometimes I think they're just using GPS with maps and PID loops and not actual AI of any sort. Nothing short of full general AI is going to be able to drive completely autonomously.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/have-you-seen/2022/04/25/tesla-collides-private-jet-while-owner-using-smart-summon-mode/7439216001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/have-you-seen/2022/04/25...
    - sva_ 4y ago
      It has been claimed that the summon feature works on some completely different old tech stack than autopilot.
  - chx 4y ago
    > Musk seems to claim every year that Level 4 autonomous driving is within 6-18 months, going back to almost 10 years ago. Yeah, I remember https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 > In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY Jan 10, 2016 They were full of this in 2016 https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware#:~:text=We%20are%20excited%20to%20announce,that%20of%20a%20human%20driver https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now.... > We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. October 19, 2016 Mid 2019 he envisioned a million robotaxis by the end of 2020 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1148070210412265473 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1148070210412265473

belter 4y ago

When recently asked about the deaths, this was the most recent comment from the Tesla CEO (correct time): https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3170 https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3170 I find the comment "...we also know we are going to be sued...": https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3325 https://youtu.be/VfyrQVhfGZc?t=3325 interesting grounds, for a lawyer request for internal Tesla emails via a legal discovery process.

verve_rat 4y ago
Wow, that interview is a train wreck.
- plutonorm 4y ago
  we must have watched different interviews.
  - spiderice 4y ago
    Seriously. I thought those answers were great! He knows that even if Tesla does what is right, they're still going to get sued. So they're going to do what is right anyway. Super cool answer.
FartyMcFarter 4y ago
The statement that Tesla is "doing the right thing" has a lot of optimistic assumptions behind it. To start with, Tesla assumes they will be able to accomplish self driving with the hardware they have. They also assume they need the system to drive on public roads (as opposed to simulations and private roads) to achieve this. They say that data collected from driving on public roads will get them there, even though this is a for-now-unsolved research problem in AI. Furthermore, Musk seems to claim every year that Level 4 autonomous driving is within 6-18 months, going back to almost 10 years ago. For now I feel there are too many people letting Tesla stick with their optimistic predictions and statements that they're "doing the right thing". Maybe the New York Times documentary that is about to come out will change this.
- phkahler 4y ago
  >> To start with, Tesla assumes they will be able to accomplish self driving with the hardware they have. This is an absolute joke. There are videos of the autonomous "come pick me up" feature - whatever it's called - absolutely failing. One of them even runs into an airplane and pushes it around. Sometimes I think they're just using GPS with maps and PID loops and not actual AI of any sort. Nothing short of full general AI is going to be able to drive completely autonomously.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/have-you-seen/2022/04/25/tesla-collides-private-jet-while-owner-using-smart-summon-mode/7439216001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/have-you-seen/2022/04/25...
  - sva_ 4y ago
    It has been claimed that the summon feature works on some completely different old tech stack than autopilot.
- chx 4y ago
  > Musk seems to claim every year that Level 4 autonomous driving is within 6-18 months, going back to almost 10 years ago. Yeah, I remember https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 > In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY Jan 10, 2016 They were full of this in 2016 https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware#:~:text=We%20are%20excited%20to%20announce,that%20of%20a%20human%20driver https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now.... > We are excited to announce that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. October 19, 2016 Mid 2019 he envisioned a million robotaxis by the end of 2020 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1148070210412265473 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1148070210412265473